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Naruto Manga Thread

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Verse of Darkness, Feb 17, 2007.

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  1. Kthr

    Kthr Unspeakable DLP Supporter

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    Don't be silly. It's clear you have to repent your sins and join the fight against evil.

    So yea, Naruto will wtfpwn Sasuke when he tries to atack, Sasuke will cry like a little girl after Naruto starts his friendship speech and his manly tears will cleanse the darkness of the sharingan, becoming the next Sage-of-whats-his-name. Then Sasuke will proceed to kill Kabuto using only his jedi-mind tricks while Naruto stays home eating ramen and fucking people, while wearing dat awesome hat.
     
  2. Bucks

    Bucks Headmaster DLP Supporter

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    Because it is near the end and Part 1 was actually good and hooked you in enough to read through to the ending.

    After Nagato he should have left the rinnegan well enough alone, now it is another Uchiha power up. I should be shocked, but I'm really not. Suprised yes, shocked, no.:facepalm
     
  3. Trig

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    I'm a little bit confused right now. Pein (Nagato) had the Rinnegan. He had had it since he was a child, and activated it during the night of his parents murder (Chapter 444). How does this Rinnegan being the next evolution of the Sharingan thing work?
     
  4. Hashasheen

    Hashasheen Half-Blood Prince

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    1. His father/mother was an Uchiha and his father/mother was a Senju, the two being undercover in Rain Country.
    2. The same as above, but theyy were a Romeo & Juliet duo who fled Fire Country to escape potential persecution for their love.
    3. Nagato's mom was a Senju descendant and Madara raped her to make Nagato, thus "giving" him his eyes.

    Take your pick. :sherlock:
     
  5. Trig

    Trig Unspeakable

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    We know that he's an Uzumaki and I don't know if there were any Senju+Uchiha children, but you're right, there are a lot of possibilities concerning his parentage. But I was more referring to the fact that he apparently skipped Sharingan, Mangekyo and EMS and went straight to having the Rinnegan.
     
  6. hgf

    hgf Fourth Year

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    I might remember incorrectly but didn't Tobi give the eyes to him?
     
  7. Nemrut

    Nemrut The Black Mage ~ Prestige ~

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    He claims he did but why he would give a more or less random orphan the Rinnegan eyes and let him wander without protection in a warzone is beyond me.
     
  8. Sechrima

    Sechrima Disappeared

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    There's apparently some convoluted plot being carried out by Tobi and Madara which involved Nagato. I'm assuming Madara died years after his fight with the Shodai Hokage, since he claims familiarity with Nagato (who probably wasn't alive when Madara fought Hashirama). So Madara probably activated the Rinnegan after the fight at the Valley of the End. Anyway, when Madara died, I suspect he did so with an active Rinnegan, which Tobi (whoever he really is... maybe a Madara clone) then inserted into Nagato. Because Nagato is not an Uchiha, he was unable to 'switch off' the Rinnegan, but having plentiful, rich Uzumaki chakra and life force, he was able to use it well nonetheless.

    Nagato was meant to revive Madara, but he never did. Instead, Kabuto did so with the Edo Tensei.

    Some things remain unclear, such as why Nagato was chosen to host Madara's Rinnegan and who the hell is the Masked Man/Tobi?

    I want Kishimoto to cast more light on the whole genealogy of the Rikudou Sennin as well as the Uchiha, Senju, and Uzumaki clans. So far the Uchiha have been getting one massive power-up after another while the Senju and Uzumaki have been getting chump change. Hopefully this process will be reversed soon, because a Naruto who is almost entirely dependent on the Kyuubi's power instead of his own is a pathetic figure and a poor hero.
     
  9. Hashasheen

    Hashasheen Half-Blood Prince

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    Who told us he's an Uzumaki? Tobi. The lying liar who lies. My theories are all possible. :sherlock:
     
  10. Solomon

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    If I remember correctly, it was zombie Madara who claimed to give Nagato the Rinnegan, so that's something that happened while he was still alive.
     
  11. Parac

    Parac First Year

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    I'm pretty sure even zombie-nagato couldn't have been sealed by the shinobi alliance due to the mixture of absorbing chakra and reducing everything around him to dust every few seconds.

    Zombie!Madara now has:
    - Susanoo, making him nigh invulnerable to attack.
    - Rinnegan chakra absorption. Ninjutsu is useless against him.
    - Rinnegan gravity crap. Apparently he can move planets.
    - He won't die even if you cut off his head. Because he isn't alive in the first place.
    - Instant genjutsu plus mass destruction ninjutsu.
    - If the Rinnegan is indeed formed by crossing Senju & Uchiha powers then Madara can, in fact, use Izanagi. Actually, he might just have on the last few pages.

    It's not even possible for the guy to be beat by anything but a pure plot device.

    My guess is either fake!Madara does him in (for some reason) or we have some sort of Aizen-esque final form battle. You know, where you have someone completely invulnerable becoming 'more powerful' by losing what made him invulnerable in the first place.

    I just hope Sasuke doesn't get the Rinnegan. That'd be seriously fucked up.

    Edit: Forgot to mention. Same as with Nagato I can't see anyone but Itachi sealing the latest Doujutsu monkey.
     
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  12. Datakim

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    Except that in the scene, Madara is alone with Nagatos corpse and is basically talking/thinking to himself. While he is certainly a liar, it would make no sense at all for him to lie in that particular scene since there was no one else there to lie to. Which means Nagato was indeed an Uzumaki.


    Actually, you are right about this. Infact we can be pretty sure that he does have Hashiramas dna at this point. Which should logically make him utterly invulnerable to all possible harm. Izanagi makes you invulnerable for a short period of time, but after the duration runs out, the eye you used to activate Izanagi goes permanently blind from the strain. Thats why Danzo tried to cheat with his sharingarm, and why Madara/Tobi don't/did not use it all the time. The cost of losing an eye is too great.

    Except, we are not dealing with Madara, but edo!Madara. And what does it mean to be an edo? That any injuries that you take quickly reverse themselves. And there is no reason why that would not also apply to the eye that is damaged by Izanagi. Which means edo!Madara should have literally unlimited Izanagi, and be impossible to defeat.
     
  13. Kthr

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    I really have to stop reading the manga in a rush. When did this happen?
     
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    As it's already been said, it was Tobi who claimed to have given Nagato the Rinnegan, and he also revealed that Nagato was an Uzumaki. He was talking to himself at the time, so I highly doubt he was lying. With everything that he has claimed to be, it would make sense for him to be some sort of clone or split half of Madara, but for that we'll have to wait and see.

    As for the theories of combined Senju + Uchiha blood = Rinnegan, that theory is now defunct. The Rinnegan appears to be an Uchiha trait. I suppose it fits in with the story of the Rikudou Sennin gifting his elder son with his eyes. On the flip-side, the Senju inherited the sage's willpower and body. They seem to be gifted with Yang chakra, also, since it's been revealed that the intense Yang chakra of the Kyuubi is able to vitalise Yamato's infertile Mokuton. So apparently Hashirama had extremely rich Yang chakra. I would postulate that the Uchiha are gifted with Yin chakra (for example, genjutsu generally falls within the category of Yin release). Yang chakra seems to make an element stronger and wilder, whereas Yin chakra can shape an element and give it more precision.

    The Uzumaki are supposed to be distant relations of the Senju, which to me means that either they are a Senju branch, or the Rikudou Sennin himself was born an Uzumaki and his sons branched off into the Senju and Uchiha clans. The latter is more appealing to me.

    I'm hoping Naruto will develop some new skill or power based on his Uzumaki heritage before the end of the war, but I don't see how that would be possible since the final battle seems to be fast approaching. If the series ends with Naruto being as pathetic as he is now, unable to do anything on his own and totally reliant on the Kyuubi's chakra, I will be pretty damn disappointed.
     
  18. The Berkeley Hunt

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    That video was great. I think I'm going to go with the theory presented by the top comment - Tobi is actually the Second Mizukage, ready to troll everyone some more.
     
  19. Murton

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    The fight between Danzo and Tobi comes to mind, Danzo would've seemingly known who Madara was before Madara 'died' and yet, if I remember correctly, he speaks to him by the name Uchiha Madara.

    Also the physical stature between Tobi and Madara look completely different. Madara having long hair and being pretty big and tanky, whilst Tobi seems tall and lanky with short hair. We should've seen the difference a long time ago, just looking at the statue of Madara in the VotE, he bears no resemblance to Tobi at all.

    But, when you look at Muu and his split, the split looks quite different, looking far less built than the original. So it's possible that Madara 'split' when the first Hokage defeated him, he killed his other half, leaving Tobi, implants his 'split' eyes into Nagato to try and awaken the Rinnegan to try and resurrect his other half and then somehow combine into one again in order to have enough strength to be in control of the Juubi's powers when he becomes it's host.
     
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    Yet it doesn't explain why Tobi was so shocked by the last coffin, or why Orochimaru didn't revive him sooner and take his body.
     
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