Well Krogan is dead so its useless to vote for him, but i'd be voting deadline if it were of any consequence. I think kais plan is pretty good, we don't have a lead on anything and the chances are high that going down the path of lynch Krogan -> lynch someone -> kingslayer kills fiat (and its variations with the kingslayer not getting a kill) will lead to more information being unveiled.

 

Deadline Vote: Krogan

Also, Zeit, I don't have the slightest clue what you're doing, but can you explain your statement 'if Krogan dies, I'll die too'? That seems... well, indicative of something.

 

Eugh, stupid sleeping habits.

Deadline Vote: Krogan

As to Kai's plan - it sounds great. But won't the Kingslayer kill make it hard to confirm whether he's scum or not provided the last two lynch candidates were innocent? He'd only die if he was MoD or Dragonstone - so what happens if he doesn't die?

 

I assume you mean what happens if he doesn't die when he is targeted by the Kingslayer.

In that case he MUST be town, because the only role that can survive a kingslayer kill (that Fiat could be if Krogan is innocent) is the Mountain.

If fiat doesn't die because he wasn't targeted at all, we need to assume that one (or both) of Krogan/Tomorrow's lynch was scum and then assess Fiat accordingly.

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Obviously I'm ignoring the scenario of 'kingslayer kills someone who isn't fiat' because maaaaaaaaaaaan, that would be so dud.

 

Oh! Oops, I derped a bit there. I meant about other roles with protection - Kingslayer only pierces MoD's protection, doesn't it?

 

The roles that fiat could be (without any comment on Krogan's possible roles) are:

Mountain
Sellsword
Winterfell scum (x3)
MoD

All of those except the Mountain will die to a Kingslayer kill tomorrow night

Now, taking into account that Krogan clearly has a role of some type:

If Krogan is SCUM (aka: Krogan is winterfell)

Mountain
Sellsword
MoD

Again, only Mountain survives a Kingslayer kill.

-

If Krogan is TOWN (aka: Krogan is the Sellsword)

Mountain
Winterfell scum (x3)
MoD

Again, only Mountain survives a Kingslayer kill.

==

So, if Krogan is scum, Fiat should be the default Kingslayer target because one of the following will happen
1. The kill bounces - Fiat is the Mountain (aka: Confirmed town)
2. He dies - Fiat is either a powerless townie (Sellsword) or the MoD

A 66% chance of killing a powerless townie OR the MoD is pretty fantastic (especially when the remaining 33% chance is 'confirming someone 100% as town')

And if Krogan is town, Fiat should STILL be the default Kingslayer target because either he is scum and dies, or he isn't scum and he lives.

So the only way the Kingslayer could get a kill and make a mistake is if he doesn't target Fiat with his kill.

 

You have to wonder what with Zeitgeist's rather vehement objections that maybe we have the MoD and hes the bloodrider. Which would be fucking amazing but would also kill the game slightly.

 

No.

/10char

 

Krogan can't be the MoD, Kang; Boy King lynch would have killed him.

Er, I'm still a bit confused. So the Kingslayer can kill The Lady of Winterfell?

 

Yep!

(Also, I totally called rolekills and etc being really unclear)

 

It seems there isn't much left to discuss besides waiting.

Rescind Vote

Standard Vote : Krogan

 

I honestly don't believe that there is anything I can say at this point to convince anyone Im not scum and to be blunt Im not going to try. Im just going to post my thoughts from my QT and hope that maybe some of you will agree with me and lynch these bastards when I'm gone.

 

Krogan, lynching others because of a 'vibe' does not end well. :/

 

Krogan - Kang's posts simply read 'off' to me. They haven't read off enough yet for me to truly advocate lynching him, but after seeing his latest rounds of posts I'm thinking that next round I may try to start a movement to get him lynched.

 

I'm actually kinda flattered you think I'm smart enough to cover my tracks in this, Krogan. In the games I played as scum I was under the impression that I was pretty transparent when it came to hiding my evilness.

Still, I'll take the time to explain that I defended dhulli's plan because I thought it was a good one. Just like I think Kai's plan is a good one, despite my reservations towards purposefully mis-lynching. The less pro-town players we have in the long run the worse it is for the town, especially since I can spot one easy way for the Mother of Dragons to take big advantage of this plan. I'm not going to point it out for obvious reasons, but there's a definite downside to this plan of Kai's as well.

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One quick rule clarification: Does Krogan surviving the lynch still count towards the Kingslayer's count?

 

We're not purposely mislynching. We think Krogan is going to be scum more often than not. However, we are prepared for the times when he is town.

As for the downside, I know what you're talking about - and atm I think it's an acceptable downside to confirming fiat as town.

 

Fair point, though I'm not so sure I'd agree that it's an acceptable consequence. Maybe Warlock Hunt has made me too biased against the Mother/Rogue Warlock type role, but I see that role as one of the worst for the town roles in the game. If they become invincible there's a good chance the rest of the town will focus on them, leaving the scum with a bit more freedom than they would otherwise have. It happened in Warlock Hunt and that's the first game the town has lost since the DEI/SWI.

Aside from that, if Krogan turns out to be scum, what happens to the plan for Fiat? I mean, we wouldn't have the Kingslayer to kill him/confirm him as Mountain, so we'd have to lynch him, which puts us at the risk of lynching one of the best pro-town roles we've got.

Hell, I just realised I'm arguing in circles here. If Krogan is innocent and the Kingslayer gets to hit Fiat, confirming him as town, there's a definite downside to that. If Krogan is scum and the Kingslayer doesn't get his kill we risk lynching the Mountain. Both of these can work to our advantage, but they both have big downsides tagging along with them.

I can't really make up my mind whether this plan is the best we can hope for. I'm going to stick with it though, since I can't come up with a better one.

 

I also suggested that Fiat be the default kingslayer kill choice for now, so even if we don't get a ks kill tomorrow, we can still confirm fiat as scum/town or whatever in future (or whenever a kingslayer kill happens).

As for the MoD, they are MUCH MUCH more vulnerable to town in this game. Judge, Vigilante, DoB can all kill them. And the info they get is much weaker compared to the info available to the Warlock in that game. So while I do agree that needless roleclaims are bad, I don't think just having one role-confirmed person out gives the MoD an unassailable advantage. But if town derps when the MoD reveals, well... there isn't much helping that tbh. Just have to hope that people don't decide roleclaiming for little/no benefit is a good idea :\

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I want it to be clear that Fiat getting targeted for kingslayer kill is just the best way we have to confirm him as scum/town FOR NOW. If, after tomorrow night, no kingslayer kill occurs, then obviously we need to reassess him at that time. But at the moment, I think focusing on other things would be best.

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Questions for people below the minimum activity requirement (at the time of this post, Vira, Aziraphale, Necrule) if you're unsure what to say or whatever.

1. What do you think of the 'kingslayer kills fiat plan'?
2. What does Fiat's silence make you think?
3. What is your opinion of zeit's 'reveal' from post #287 onwards?
4. If you could unconditionally kill a player that is not Fiat or Krogan, right now, who would it be? And why?

Questions are open to all after one of those people have answered.

 

Sure, why not. Seems legit.

That he doesn't want to confirm / deny anything and that he's waiting to see what happens.

As of now: :facepalm

Vesvius, because I have not forgotten his suspicious posts.

 

Hi all.

1. The plan seems cool. Let's just hope it works.

2. Fiat's silence make me thinks that he is the MoD and he will try to zombie steal tomorrow.

3.I don't know what to think about that. Maybe he is softfakeclaiming to mess with the Mod.

4.Riley.He seems scum imo.