Uhh... basically you have massive taijutsu vs. massive genjutsu. And yes, every level of technique is enhanced. It sort of makes sense when you're talking about the best of the best of the ninja world.

 

What, the Raikage's massive speed and punching people in the face? I mean like actually styles or techniques like what Lee had in Part I. What massive genjutsu are you referring to? Edo Madara's armor? Genjutsu have always been pretty funky in Naruto, but Ma and Pa's and Itachi's were pretty legit. The second Mizukage's was interesting too, but it's been mostly ninjutsu spam for a while now.

 

Well Ninjutsu is way more fun to look at, have mental battles with illusions and the mindfuck alike is cool and all but most people would prefer the busty red head shooting lava from her mouth.

 

I agree with Sol, we need to have more... I don't know, variety. Not everyone is good with ninjutsu or is a total powerhouse that they can ignore everything else in favor of one branch of the ninja arts just because they can get away with it.

Sealing needs to be expanded on more, because right now it's just a macguffen that gives humans practically limitless control over demons. Oh, shit, the seven tails is attacking us? Here, let me just slap this tag on it, and the other tag on a convenient baby. I'm not saying that I hate the series, or anything, but my suspension of disbelief is getting pretty stretched.

Hell, it's a sad day when One Piece makes more sense than Naruto and Bleach.

Also, 100th post.

 

I fully agree with you on the sealing point, however you are talking about the five strongest ninja that have not gone rouge aside from Naruto and Killer B, along with arguably the most powerful person ever aside from the Rikudo Sennin. They all are total powerhouses. They can get away with it. Also, I always got the impression that to fight somebody in any aspect of the ninja arts, you either had to be brilliant at one thing, or match whichever art they use, Ninjutsu-Ninjutsu, Genjutsu-Genjutsu, Taijutsu-Taijutsu.

 

What's the point of having guns and bombs, when ninjas can probally dodge bullets and do more damage than bombs with jutsu much more cheaply?

 

Bullets travel faster then sound. Shinobi cannot outrun them.

Bombs require no energy on the ninja's part, and he still has jutsu to fall back on.

This is why almost all stories that include guns and bombs are utter shit. The characters are vastly overpowered.

 

Eh...ummm while Shinobi can't outrun bullets...They probably could dodge 7 out of every 10 shot...that is excluding the fact that the person shooting would be dead before he could point and aim (that's forgetting about reloading too). This is not even bringing the Sharingan into account. Keep in mind that there neeeds to be a hand behind the trigger, if all the person shooting sees is a blur how is he to aim and shoot? Most Chunin/Genin aren't much more than blurs to the civilians, Ninjas like Kakashi would prolly kill a normal chunin thrice over before they even had an inkling that Kakashi is even in the area.

As for explosives, There are these things called explosive tags...you know they almost weigh as much as a paper slip...Oh wai-

No, most Technological!Guns'n'Explosives!Naruto fics fail because they bring in absolutely unnecessary and way more cumbersome things into the picture than the simplicity that is the Ninja Arts ( In this Universe that is). Most of everything that technology brings is accomplished by Chakra and Fuinjutsu in Naruto. It fits the picture. Let it be.

 

Not to mention the fact that chakra type explosives have been shown to pwn the fuck out of everything in sight when used by an extremely capable ninja (see Deidara). Dude helped assault a whole village with Sasori and kidnapped Gaara singlehandedly. He also gave Kakashi fits in their fight to the point where Kakashi had to whip out the MS (the all purpose deux ex of the manga) just to get the fight to a draw.

Aside from things like explosive tags and unique skills like Deidara's, please keep that shit out of my Naruto. Thanks.

 

The Yondaime outran an explosion. That's way more boss than outrunning a shitty little bullet.

 

The Yondaime was described as being the strongest ninja ever aside from the Rikudo Sennin. Speed was his speciality. He was faster then the Raikage as well. True, he could outrun bullets and explosions, however he is one of the exceptions, not the rule.

 

Actually, Yondaimes unique power was the ability to teleport, not run fast. So while he could indeed avoid anything up to nuclear explosions, there would be no running involved. Your ordinary average guy however could very well be taken down by an explosive, and infact those are in common usage in Narutoworld, even if the mechanism is different (explosive tags rather than grenades).

Dunno about bullets. I expect they would work poorly, since you would have to be an incredibly good marksman to actually hit a ninja.

 

Even if the world were to develop guns, wouldn't they start at the bottom of the line and work their way up? Today's guns have only been developed after centuries of research and development - if a civilization were starting from scratch, they would probably invent a much more archaic form of weaponry first.

And I'm no expert - speaking from an episode of Castle here - but aren't those guns very inaccurate? In said episode, a trained markswoman couldn't even, IIRC, hit a relatively close target once. It was a plot point, actually. So guns in this universe would be pretty much useless given the presence of shinobi and chakra.

Bombs, again, are superseded by the presence of exploding tags, so there is no real necessity for an alternate form of explosive device.

 

The manga said he was naturally fast in addition to his ability to use Hirashin - as per his battle with Madara during the points he wasn't using the technique.

 

Earliest use of firearms was in the early Song dynasty tubes of shrapnel and powder on a spear.

Now in 10th century China a weapon that would spit fire and shrapnel a few feet had a certain psychological advantage that no doubt played a role in driving people to refine and improve it.

In a world where spitting giant ass fireballs out of your mouth can be seen as a rite of passage... A backwater peasant with one of those might be somewhat intimidating to other backwater peasants I guess.

 

Have to agree there; gunpowder weapons would never really develop in the Narutoverse. Nobody would take a look at a big, clunky 15th century arquebus and think there was any potential for it as a weapon.

It also doesn't help that, from everything we've seen so far, siege warfare is non-existent in the Naruto-verse, so nobody is working on making newer better cannons (which rather contributed to the development of personal firearms. Early guns also just wouldn't have the shock factor against magic-wielding ninjas that they did on the real-world battlefield.

 

I wasn't talking about a unique power... I was talking about his speed.

 

What explosion were you talking about then? I thought you meant the one where Tobi sticks exploding tags in baby!Naruto as a trap for Minato. If so, it was explicitly said that he used his teleportation to escape.

I don't deny that he was exceptionally fast even normally, but presumably the fact that he DID use teleportation to escape that particular explosion implies that he could not have done it by just running.

 

Kakashi Gaiden anime version.

 

Where? Can you give a bit more detail?