3. It (voting to break deadlocks on future days) is just something that was relevant in *only* the initial games and I don't think it is a relevant thing at all now.

In both (lesstiny/hot) of the non-role reveal hunt I was scum so my play there isn't a good point of reference but as I see it, someone who is doing -ev town things is more likely scum than someone who is doing things that seem good for town (but people skirting the line and just remaining neutral aren't much better than people doing bad things).

5. Drome and Aekiel were the first people who didn't either 1. vote with no strong reasoning or 2. Vote to directly support the bandwagon. So I didn't have as much issue with them (obviously them voting to lynch me is an issue, but we can cross that later)

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But if you were town, why would the scum being able to confirm you as such be on your mind at all? Like Hush is just not a threat at all to you if you are town. I just completely do not see how you could possibly have Hush on your mind AND also be town.

Uh... I never voted for Zeit, and outside of this post I didn't even suggest he might be scum. So if you're flipping out over an offhand comment at the end of a post about something else entirely, well, this just adds more fuel to the fire of 'Zeit/Lungs and Krogan are scumbuddies'.

 

Its not that I was suspicious of Zeit, or anything Zeit did, exactly. Everyone is allowed to have bad days, and being mad and ranting isn't a scum tell, just inappropriate. You only really had three votes. Thats not even a quarter of the amount needed to lynch. Thats why, when Krogan started defending you/Zeit, I started getting suspicious. He defended you for no reason, maybe he under estimated the amount of players in the game, and thought you were in trouble, but regardless, his post defended you, while simultaneously attacking your attackers, and he added a safety net to his post, which essentially would let him off the hook if you were mafia.

For someone who says they don't want one person to run the whole game, he sure seems to be steering everyone. And everyone who provides an argument against him is deemed suspicious. I have no reason to believe Kai is town as of now, i'm really just pointing out my suspicions, and how I arrived at them, using Kai as an example.

 

late double post: outside of that other post where I say 'Zeit is a new scum and dunno what to do'

 

To be completely honest, I didn't care if anyone was going to vote with me one way or another, because I was voting with what I thought was right. And I didn't expect a bandwagon, one way or another, to come up from it (on a side note - Kai, just because you don't consider the edits doesn't mean they didn't happen). Hell, I honestly expected people to turn on me for voting based not on meta-game knowledge or any real conjecture. I voted for Kai's lynch not because I think he's scum (although his subsequent posts just scream it), but because he was being a douche, and I didn't want to have to deal with it.

 

I agree with jwlk very much. It might not be healthy for me if he's scum. D8

Krogan's rising up my suspicion list slightly - I would argue that we should probably lynch him at some point. No offense, but while I do sort of buy his reasoning for defending Zeit, he also seems to have laid off his defense slightly after I showed up.

/bitter

It feels nice to be defended, but I'm not sure if he's scum trying to drag me/Zeit down with him, or if he feels guilty about HoT after the post from Zeit about how he expected to be defended and stuff.

Dissecting Krogan's psyche aside...

Are you telling town to gank you?

I'm glad the drama is drawing to a close and stuff.

Edit by Doublepost: K, Silens.

I'm going to reread the bandwaggoners. I'm not that suspicious of Silens at the moment and stuff...

That said, it doesn't mean I'm not frowning about this whole outfit :|

 

If scum aren't the target of the bandwaggon, i think its most likely they'll be the 4/5th to vote in one. Somewhere in the middle where they are not likely to be noticed.

Also, ignore my huge run-on sentence in my last post

 

Maybe because he realized that adamantly defending his scumbuddy that has 0 chance of being lynched is probably not the right thing to do?

Obviously not, since I haven't done anything bad for town (and Zeit was going to pull out regardless of whether or not I did anything since he had issues, so I'm just preempting that card here).

So is anyone going to comment on the fact that Krogan namedropped a scumrole when he had 0 reason to even have that scumrole on his mind AT ALL if he was town.

 

You misunderstand, that is not what I'm saying. What I meant by that is that it seems to me thats what KaiDASH was thinking, that is not my opinion.

Maybe you have a point but at this point given his desperate mud slinging I am not backing down from my stance that Kai is scum who is panicking.

@Kai- I never said Hush was a threat to me or could confirm me, I said if anyone who can do role check or information gathering came forward and said something of Lungs being guilty I'd happily lock him away, does all the mud your trying to sling block your screen? The only person I see flipping out here boss is you, as soon as any steam at all gets made towards you accusations start flying like bullets in every direction. Its actually pretty damn funny to watch.

And yeah to be honest I do still feel kinda bad about that one in HoT. That isn't why I'm doing this though.

Lawl oh this is just cute Kai, you sound so desperate to make people look at me even I'm starting to feel a little bad for you.

Also Lungs you know I'm doing my best here to keep them from stringing you up over Kais nonsense reasons and mudslinging, the fact that your turning on me too is quite frankly very irritating.

 

Vote Tally Thus Far

Lungs (Zeitgeist): 1
Irene

Sacrifice: 1
Commander Bond (Ollie K)

Jon: 1
Kensington

KaiDASH: 11
Jon, Krogan, Silens Cursor, Necrule Paen, Ashaya, Eternity Lost, Palindrome, Riley Poole, Aekiel, Scrib, Sacrifice

Krogan: 1
KaiDASH,

Not Voted Yet: 13
1and1is3, Dead, Fenraelis, guljons, Jwlk, Kalas, Kang, klackerz, Lungs (Zeitgeist), mishie, Nae'blis, Republic21, Sesc, Vira, Yeagen

Anyone who hasn't posted yet (mishie), remember that you do have a participation requirement.

22 hours left until nightfall.
There are 30 Players remaining, so 16 votes are required for a majority.

 

Zeit being in a scumteam would neatly explain why he has 'pressure' on him to perform.

And uh - It's pretty easy to brush things off like you are doing Krogan if you don't have any significant amounts of lynch votes on you, then doubtcasting me by saying I'm 'desperate'. Mentioning Hush specifically is such a huge scumslip if people would just think it through.

 

Why is it not relevant now? I think it remains relevant as long as someone staying alive deadlocks the game. You aren't lynched today, and don't die tonight, and Day 2 we'll be back to arguing over you.

 

Kai, Silens' reasoning for voting against you is perfectly reasonable. Even if you are pro-town, you simply bring too much controversy into the mix. To be honest, I'm still not sure if you're scum, but lynching you will surely cool off some heads and get the town to focus on rooting out actual scum rather than forcing to give an opinion on this bitchfest.

However, you shouldn't have posted chat logs. Take your own advice and keep the game within the realms of this thread. That came off as really desperate, especially when Zeit has already had his moments in this very thread.

Krogan is the one I'm most suspicious of right now. Reason being his early defending of Zeit, and this sudden mentioning of Hush out of nowhere.

Vote Player: Krogan

Because we can get Kai later anyway, since even if he's pro-town, everyone has their eyes on him. Krogan is the one we need to go after right now.

 

I think we're at the point where if someone doesn't get lynched it's because people think they are town and not because not enough people lynch voted.

 

Or just maybe thats how Zeit always talks and with your constant needling he simply exploded.

Lawl yes if people would just start thinking what you tell them to think everything will be okay. The fact that you latched onto that so hard is rather hilariously desperate, god I really am starting to feel bad for you now.

All jokes aside though Lungs I think I'm just about done trying to help you, its brought me nothing but grief and way more typing than I ever wanted to be doing in this game. This is the last time I try and stick my neck out for anyone.

 

... I was being slightly sarcastic about the ganking, Kai.

See the interplay between Kai, Ashaya and Naeblis?

Naeblis's response is direct proof that Ashaya's point stands - "You can always go back later."

Meanwhile, he votes for someone that we've agreed is probably scummy... diffusing the vote and stuff.

I'm not sure if bandwagons are a good thing, but... the post is evidence as to why Kai's statement that we're past the point of needing focus in our mafia games is probably wrong.

I foresee a Krogan/Kai deadlock in the next hours. :|

Edit by doublepost: Also, Krogan, D8.

In other news: Lungs is forever alone. :|

 

No I went waaaaaaaaaay out on a limb for you and all its gotten me is my neck on a chopping block while you measure the knife.

 

Which is still confusing the heck out of me. Its Day One and the small number of votes he had were from people annoyed with Zeit's outbursts. Why bother?

 

Isn't the point of me defending myself is to allow people to see what I think (contrasting with Krogan and Silens) and decide on what is more legitimate?

Just lynching me without regard or thought to what I have to say can't possibly be the right move and I think this thought is completely contrary to what I believe you're expressing in your post, which is 'people voting for those other than the bandwagon lynch target are making things hard for us'

@Kalas: over-reacting scumbuddies, obviously.

 

Well in truth it was a bit of a derp on my part, I didn't quite figure just how many people are in this so I was thinking a lynch was a lot closer at hand but also it is in part Meta-Gaming. All my past experience participating in and watching games that Kai has been in has lead me to the conclusion, if he's posting he's working an angle. He takes over the vote gradually until everyone is dancing for him no matter how frankly terrible the plan is.

Or it could be the fact that Im still deeply bitter over HoT. I'm not entirely myself in all honesty.

Kai: Thats the spirit little buddy, keep flinging that mud.

 

Thread has degenerated into a Kai/Krogan pissing contest.

D... 8.