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Plot Bunny Thread V2

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Antivash, Apr 20, 2011.

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  1. Quick Ben

    Quick Ben In ur docs, stealin ur werds.

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    I have this idea that Just doesn't want to leave me alone so I thought I would share.So basically its an idea of how Harry learns about the magical world.
    A magical creature has escaped or got lost in the Muggle world and ends up in little Surrey, Harry been Magical is the only one who can see it, he tries to tell someone about the dangerous creature watching at the edge of the school playground but no one believes him, so Harry questions his sanity until he sees it attack and possibly eat, a student, Dudley,Petunia or Vernon either one would do. Harry been the only one who saw the attack calls for help explains but no one believes him, until a wizard from the Ministry the ones who take care of Dangerous Magical creatures approaches him, interrogates him and reveals the existence of Magic to Harry.



    Another one is about the prophecy. I had this idea that what if there was no prophecy what if Dumbledore altered Snapes memories of that night and what if somehow it was possible to place an Imperio on someones mind that would affect whoever viewed said memory in this case Tom Riddle, I would do this because I have never truly believed that Voldemort could make a mistake like the one he made at that Halloweens night, he should have come up with a much better and more effective plan, instead of acting rashly as how I see it.
    I always have a scene for this idea in my head and if you guys think its good I can post it, so what do you think.
     
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  2. Mordecai

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    That second idea has some merit, with a couple of changes.

    Only go with the first bit, leave out the imperius idea. Simply have a highly manipulative Dumbledore who created the idea of the prophesy, motive would be up to the writer, and planted it in Snapes head.

    The spell breaks when Snape kills Dumbledore, maybe it takes a while for the memories to change around. But then Snape realises he caused Lily's death for no reason, focuses the blame and hatred on Dumbledore and Voldemort. He's already killed Dumbledore, decides he has to kill Voldemort. Afterall, without the prophesy anyone can kill Voldemort, there is nothing special about Potter (you can imagine Snape's glee when he realises this).

    So the fic would be about Snape working out the horcruxes and finding a way to kill Voldemort. Obviously Voldemort is a vastly more skilled wizard, superior to Snape in just about every way. So Snape would have to use cunning and stealth to do it.

    Could be quite interesting if you enjoy non-Harry centric fics.
     
  3. T3t

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    I would hesitate to say that Voldemort is "vastly" more skilled than Snape. He ought to be more knowledgeable, given how much time he spent traveling and researching while he was young, and perhaps a better dueler, but keep in mind that while Voldemort was a disembodied spirit for 13 years, Snape spent that time in Hogwarts, where he presumably was working on potions and DADA (or just DA).
     
  4. Seratin

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    People have slowly taken the stance over the past few years that Voldemort isn't as strong as he's made out to be. Well tbh, he's exactly as strong as he's made out to be because that's canon.

    He's feared for a reason. He duelled dumbledore with the Elder wand to a standstill and don't give me that bullshit about Dumbledore not trying to kill him. Dumbledore would have happily crippled him and turned him into mush if he could, if only to buy time for Harry and the order.
     
  5. Mordecai

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    T3t, thats bollocks. Voldemort was a cut above other Dark Wizards, just like Dumbledore was a cut above other wizards in general. No doubt had Tom Riddle applied himself more generally, he would have been the next Dumbledore. They are roughly equals, though as Seratin pointed out Dumbledore barely held off Voldemort with the elder wand. That would, of course, suggest that Voldemort is actually better than Dumbledore in combat.

    So there is no way on this Earth that Snape could take Voldemort in a straight up fight, no matter how much he trained specially for it. And spending 13 years teaching kids the basics, is not spending 13 years doing advanced study. Certainly, he will have an excellent grasp of everything up to NEWT level. But if you think he had much time to himself to do such studying as you refer to, then you obviously don't know any teachers.

    The quantity of homework that seems to get assigned at Hogwarts would require the teachers to spend huge amounts of time marking the homework. Then they have to prepare for lessons, clear up after lessons, carry out lessons. They have to patrol the corridors after curfew. They have to help out students who fall behind. They have staff meetings. Snape was a Head of House, so presumably even more work came his way as a result. The end product of this, is that he would have had little to no time to dedicate to becoming a ferociously skilled warrior, and any spare time he did have was likely devoted to sleeping and/or some other relaxing activity.
     
  6. Jormungandr

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    Pretty much what was said above.
     
  7. Quick Ben

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    In connection to my false prophecy idea, The deal is Dumbledore discovers or comes up with an idea of how to permanently beat a seemingly invincible Voldemort and it has nothing to do with Love but a sacrifice, a child sacrifice, whereby Dumbledore basically pushes Voldemort, who has never killed a child and probably would never have, into doing the deed, I could come up with an explanation of how this works and why Dumbledore chose this path.

    After this I have three scenarios, one everything goes as per canon and I go on from there, two Voldemort questions the Validity of snapes information, being all too aware of how memories can be altered but still he sends someone else maybe Bella, Malfoy, or a death eater he trusts to go deal with it. Third scenario everything goes according to Dumbledores plan, but someone discovers that Dumbledore sacrificed a child to win the war, something that is against the Laws of magic itself, and he gets locked up in Azkaban, and I go on from there.

    What do you think?
     
  8. Mordecai

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    To be honest, none of them sound particularly interesting. What I suggested previously, with a Snape centred fic after he finds out Dumbledore fake the prophesy etc would result in a much more interesting fic IMO.
     
  9. thebrute7

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    I was playing my way through Dragon Age: Origins yesterday, and had a funny idea. It might be fun to toss Harry, and maybe his friends too, into Thedas during the Blight.

    I don't think I've ever seen it done before. GreyWarden!Harry anyone?
     
  10. Thaumologist

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    I'd read it.
    Unless it turned into Harry/Zevran.
     
  11. thebrute7

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    Little chance of that. Despite the fact that people seem to love Zevran for some reason, I don't like him very much.

    If I did write it I'd be far too tempted to bring Ron too, and then make him die during the Joining.
     
  12. Scrib

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    For some reason I woke up this morning and found myself thinking about The Game of Thrones and how terrible a crossover with Harry Potter would be. Then I realised that GRRM had already shown us the way it would work best: simply don't show his arrival.

    Have him arrive (by a magical device of your choosing) during the War of Conquest, when Aegon was burning everything to hell with his dragons, and eventually have him become a close friend of Aegon during these battles originally until he gets kinda sick of it by the end and sem-retires/ falls in love and marries into a middling to powerful family who are all too willing to have him (more on that later).

    However tension begins to mount between the two houses, Aegon has always based his conquest on the fact that he is the last blood of Valyria and that his magical connection with dragons makes him suited for it. Yet here comes another capable of feats just as great, who is far more open and kind. Questions naturally arise here, and Harry refuses to marry into the Targaryen line because he loves another, something in character for him but to others it looks like he's keeping himself independent.

    But Aegon and Harry remain good-ish friends which makes the rest of his family see Harry as a threat, especially as he wields more and more power among the neighboring lords (the spell check and google says there's no u in there but I could swear there was...). When Aegon dies everything goes to hell, Harry's house and the Targaryens get involved in an epic dick swinging contest. Any dispute between houses loyal to either faction is an excuse for the Targaryen's to tweak Harry's nose and it just gets worse. And Harry's affinity for the underclass definitely won't help him.

    Then the dragons start to get sick, and the Targaryens mistake Harry's inability to help as deliberate which just makes things worse. Harry himself gets poisoned (which would serve as a good opening point) and his descendants immediately jump to conclusions and his eldest son James has to keep the entire family in line,a difficult feat considering that his father outlived his wives and remarried creating a fractured family with everyone siding with their maternal siblings while trying to project strength to make sure the nobles who hate them for caring about the poor don't try to stick them.

    But I keep getting stuck at one point: what house should Harry marry into? I don't want him to marry into the Targaryens because I feel it would be too convenient and I originally wanted him to either marry into Dorne or be sent to govern it after it is conquered. It's perfect really, the Targaryens can't really hold it so sending a troublesome lord to govern it is perfect, he'll be too busy fighting to hold it together (or being backstabbed Harkonnen-style) to be any trouble in the immediate future. But then again,it's too small to be of any real threat and a bit too isolated to easily gain allies. It would devolve into a cold war with neither faction willing to fight the other regardless of what happens.
    Dorne is pretty much a kingdom unto itself which I don't really like.

    And I want to leave some of the houses from the books "pure", besides a political marriage or two, because I want to use them later on. The problem is those major houses are the ones that can easily gain influence and power among their bannermen, so I'm kinda stuck. Thoughts?
     
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  13. Mordecai

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    Would you not be better off writing a GoT fic centred on a new character, rather than making it an xover. I don't really see the benefit.

    That said, I do like the basic idea of what you've suggested.
     
  14. Nuk1014

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    Lately, I've had an idea of having Harry kill Draco Malfoy in his 6th year. Something of a "People won't believe Harry about Malfoy, so he decides to take it into his own hands" type of thing.

    Of course, I'm not so sure that I could do the idea justice, but it can't hurt to try. Has anyone done it before?
     
  15. Striker

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    It doesn't have to be anything as convoluted as that. If all you want is for Draco to die just make it so Snape isn't around to heal Draco after he gets a sectumsempra to the face.
     
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    Would need to have a radically different Harry. Canon!Harry doesn't take shit like that into his own hands, especially not with Malfoy.
     
  17. Celestin

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    This is a tricky question. Considering how everyone "love" original characters as a main focus of the story and tend to see them as Mary Sue or/and author's self-insertion, it's just easier to sell a fic with an established main character. Even if the only thing that they have in common with their canon version is a name.
     
  18. Nuk1014

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    Yeah, that's one of the problems with it. I could try and do a summary of his first five years, with me changing a bit of it. Then again, I can also have him more effected by Sirius's death. There's a number of ways that I can do that.
     
  19. Jormungandr

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    Or just -in a more limited fashion- 'pull a Joe' (using his fic' as a recent example of this archetype)...

    It'd give you a great opportunity to alter the relationships and characterizations of people.

    A Lavender that is more broody or isn't a complete airhead, due to some tragedy in her early Hogwarts years? Harry hooked up with Katie Bell? Hell, you could even have Sirius as still being alive, if things in fifth year went down differently.

    Personally, seeing a Lavender that's pretty much a cynical bitch would be refreshing to read.
     
  20. Nuk1014

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    No. If I did that, Harry could just argue about how he did it in self-defense. In my idea, it wasn't literal self-defense. More along the lines of, "He's probably a Death Eater, so I'll kill him before he kills anyone."

    If I make it, it'll probably be about how Harry tries to deal with defeating Voldemort, and keeping the Aurors off of his back at the same time. Though, naturally, they'll have to see the Dark Mark on Draco's arm.

    Simply put, I want Harry as a murderer, not someone who defends themselves with random spells.

    Maybe. I'm not too sure that I could pull it off, but I'll think on it.
     
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