Klackerz.. Wut? Go read the roles again. Red Court are just as clueless as we are on who's a vampire. Unless you think franki somehow passed a message to the Duchess ALL of us somehow missed..

 

Seems the most likely. Though I did expect that Thomas Raith would block the ectomancer every night. Why wouldn't he, really?

Also, I am about 90% sure that putting Stojil on e-bay is to try and save him. He has been a distraction all along and I am sure that this day would have ended in him being lynched. Putting him out for one round allows us to move to other people and Stojil is left forgotten.

But as I type this I wonder, there is a 10% chance that Stojil was accusing the right people? I will read the thread again and see if I can find something.

Also, we need to decide on a lynch target for today. But I don't think we can take the 'random' option anymore. If you have free time, read the thread again and point out anything you find.

 

Fucking roles, I am off to read it again. :facepalm

 

Maybe Thomas doesn't think that mishie is White Court, or thinks there's a greater gain to be had from the Ectomancer revealing mishie's role down the line.

Another possibility I just thought of. Is it possible that mishie was Dracula, and the shout of triumph was from Mavra reviving him? Or would mishie already be alive now if that was the case?

I agree that it's possible - maybe even likely - that Stojil's protection is likely a ploy to get us to try and pick another target, and hope that Stojil would then be overlooked with the information town would have by the next day. That said, of course, the Red Duchess really has little idea who are the fellow members of her court - as much as us, really. So unless Stojil is the Red Duchess, that's less likely than the Duchess simply trying for a mindfuck.

Which obviously doesn't mean Stojil is innocent, or even that he isn't RC.

 

Red Court can be auctioned, however, the Duchess can not auction themself. Also, All non-scum are up for seduction. Black/Red court die, and denarian/erlking are immune.

Also Thomas can only hide a body for one night, he hides the person, he does not block the Ectomancer.

 

If mishie had been Dracula he would have been revived this morning. And the flavor wouldn't be ambiguous about it.

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For the ease of everyone.

Roles that KNOW Another Role:

Morgan knows Dresden.

Kincaid learns Ivy's identity on the 4th Day.

The two Members of Saint Giles know each other.

Tessariel knows Nicodemus.

Thorned Namshiel knows both Nicodemus and Tessariel.

Nicodemus learns Thorned Namshiel (and possibly Tessariel) once an Alliance is made.

Roles who can COMMUNICATE:

Ebenezer McCoy with one chosen member ( chosen with little to no foreknowledge).

The two Members of Saint Giles.

Thorned Namshiel with one of the two other Denarians through his Alliance ability.

 

From the looks of things, the Erlking may have been targeted as a NK given the wooden knife, which means that whoever targeted him is now aware of that fact and is one step ahead of us.

If not, that means we have to look at who else could survive a NK; Merlin, John Stallings(Once), Lara Raith, Red King, Nicodemus(Once), and Tessariel(Twice, and possibly used one of those given the flavor regarding ash and such).

There's also the fact that Father Forthill may have saved the right persons skin, but I don't think the flavor indicates that.

Toward who we should consider lynching, I'd say we take a good look at who didn't vote last night or the night before to get a slim list of Red Duchess potentials, since she can't vote if she's used her night action according to the detail list.

EDIT: Ignore the Red Duchess point. I knew there was one too many "or"'s in the description to make a lick of sense when I was trying to browse through again, so we're still at square one regarding who she might be.

 

Does Thomas Raith find out "who" Ectomancer is checking? Because he could be checking either of the three dead people.

But all the same, you are right, Ectomancer needs to consider that he was allowed to check the role for a reason.

Also, I did not understand a single word of what Zenzao said. Holy shit, I know nothing of the roles.

 

Red Duchess
-Can choose one person a night to “auction off to the highest bidder” (That person is kept silent for one day. /That Person/ Cannot vote or be lynched or use their night action /or post/)

*cough*

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@Castiel: I've read the roles and I'm just as confused as you are.

 

Well, Zennith sorta kinda maybe explained himself. It's a cheap excuse but I'll let his future hopefully in-depth posts speak before passing more judgement. Since Stojil is silenced (who I didn't believe was scum anyways), I figured we might as well try and find another lynch target since not lynching is no good.

So lo and behold, I give you "Evan Tide".

Well first of all, there's the slip that Zenzao and guljons caught last time but I didn't pay much heed to.

Zenzao already explain is post 211 why that is not just odd wording to use (like some of the other 'us' vs 'town' stuff), but downright scummy.

After reading through all of his posts, he definitely gives off a scummy vibe as well. In post 93 on Day 1:

Personally, that just seems like trying to fit in with town. I shouldn't need to explain why that seems odd.

Generally, his posts lack direction. He's a big proponent of lynching lurkers (See post 234) and that seems to be something scum are hiding behind I think. They can pretend to be active in their tirade against lurkers which also detracts town from figuring out scummy looking people. His posts about Ashaya and Krogan seem pretty pointless as well.

Granted, I don't have much to go on but beyond that, his posts just give off a scum vibe to me. Maybe it's just me but do read through his posts and see for yourself.

Vote Player: Evan Tide

 

Hmm, dhulli and Zenzao make a good case for Evan Tide. I agree, the wording in that post is odd. But then, Evan Tide makes a good case for why he said that - in WH:E, the town was a touch more powerful.

Actually, it wasn't that much so. We have a Priest (and an Acolyte, as odd as that term may be to apply here, lol), an Ectomancer that grows progressively more difficult for Thomas Raith to block as the body count grows, an Ellaine (a weaker version of whatever the Jedi Seer role from SW2 corresponds to - and that role was pretty instrumental in the town victory), an Archive, two Masons, a Dancer (who can send a message with her role, IIRC).

Plus we have a Vigilante, a Bus Driver who can't be NK'ed and survives one lynch, a Martyr and the two other Knights, a DoB...

No, this town is anything but hamstrung. Even if you are talking only about info roles and info power, we have excellent chances.

Are the scum also strong? Yes. But to claim the town is weak in info roles is just silly.

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Also, Aziraphale, you had some sort of plan yesterday that involved a roleclaim? Not sure how pro-town a roleclaim would be at this point, but if you really think that the benefits outweigh the harm, then I wouldn't mind hearing what you have in mind.

 

I want to hear some other opinions on if it's a good idea, and to see if someone else might come up with the same idea. I think its pro town but might be wrong. I'll write it up later in the day regardless if anyone else proposes an idea, I just want some time to see if anyone else is thinking of it.

 

Well, whether or not I think it's a good idea would depend on the idea. I do think we should be extremely wary about revealing roles this early in the game, but it's certainly not something we should rule out completely.

 

Since it has been confirmed by Riley that the Duchess cannot auction himself/herself, it's likely that Uncle Stojil has been auctioned off to confuse us. Smile would be completely cleared if he was telling the truth (I'm inclined to believe him right now?), but it's entirely possible that he's just lying to seem less suspicious (which wouldn't be a good idea since someone could just counterclaim) or he's Lara Raith.

Aziraphale, more information for the town would be great, but I'm afraid if a more important role (or any pro-town role) reveals him/herself, the scum would try to kill or taint the person. Even if the gentleman protects the person, Lara Raith could attempt a seduction which would render the person's night abilities useless for two days. The person could also be role-blocked by a few scum. However, I'd still be interested to hear your idea.

 

I'd be wary about revealing a role with so many positions still available to hamper us, unless that role had some kind of protection from being NK'd or otherwise rendered void shortly thereafter.

The only roles that would be "safe" so to speak are one's that rely on other characters for their protection(Merlin has Morgan, Kincaid is kind of iffy, but so long as Ivy remains in the dark he's relatively good).

Maybe if a lynching were about to happen and the role in question could be helpful if we knew the truth, but even then, it might just as easily be a lie, so... :/

On another note, I just saw one other role that could have survived last nights attack: Ammorachius(-Survives a night kill from a Denarian only once, Hand of God snatches him from his foes.) so keep that in mind.

 

Survives a Night Kill from a Denarian once. Denarians don't have Night Kills?

The Blackstaff would have killed last night, unless he died Night 1.

Another guy who stands out to me is Sneakthief. He's posting quite alot but with little content. In fact, this is exactly what he did in WH2 when he was the Demon.

 

Doesn't look like it, going over that list again. I think Riley may have goofed on that.

As for Eb, that's a possibility. Or seduced/tainted, role-blocked by Justine, or perhaps worse still auctioned off to eBay?

 

Eternity, I was actually kind of confused about that too. Maybe the Denarians' night kills are referring to the raid they can declare? :/

I'm kind of wary of everyone at this point...The main lynch suspects so far are EvanTide and Zennith (excluding the silenced Stojil), but neither bandwagon got very far. I was personally suspicious of Smile, but now I don't know what to think after he claimed he was seduced. (You know, maybe the Red Duchess's ability is a blessing in disguise. It seems like one of the few ways to clear someone without involving a role reveal.)

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Zenzao: Whoa. I never thought of the possibility that Stojil might be the Blackstaff.

 

Or it could be refering to the coins Nicodemus gives out.

If we could get Riley in to clarify, that would be great?

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If he was the Blackstaff, I think he would have got the guy he communicates with to confirm he was when he was about to be lynched.

 

Eternity from the flavor its pretty likely that the black staff attempted to do a nk and chose someone who has protection. Personally I think they should consider trying to find one or two more people with protection and then role revealing, most of the roles with protection from nks are powerful scum(Erlking, red king, nicodemus, lara Raith) The only scum that isn't powerful yet has protection is Tessariel.

Something else to talk about:should those who receive coins announce in thread, that way we can keep track of how many tokens the denarians have and prevent them from getting five?

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Also if I understand the auction thing correctly it wouldn't go into effect until the next day so that shouldn't be an issue.