Okay. I have no idea who to vote for. I am so confused at this point in time, but that could be my massive hangover from New Years Eve. I don't want to not vote tonight though.

dhuli does make some interesting points with Evan Tide but I don't just want to start bandwagoning on him either.

I don't like lurkers though, so I'm debating on voting for jwlk (who has posted once) or Evan Tide. Unless someone else can convince me of other potential scum.

I'm so dead today though.

 

Riley has been kind enough to give us an extra day to recover from New Years, so there's plenty of time to think things over before voting.

 

I have a massive hangover and seeing as how I have booze left I see an easy cure. Just to be on the safe side to make sure I don't miss another vote I'm going with

Deadline Vote: Evan Tide

I've already outlined why I felt he was fishy more than once and factor in how he seems to be trying toss dirt in pretty much every direction he's as good a target as any.

 

Actually, my point was more that the spiritualist was a stupidly-strong info role if kept alive that there's no equivalent to here.

Since there were several dead townies and only a very small number of dead witches, the witches would have a really hard time to steering the protection choices.

Also, because of the info the angels get, they'd basically be able to broadcast whoever was innocent straight to the town. Even if the protection was nullified by the fallen, the spiritualist would still be able to know and tell the town.


So yes, compared to WH:E's town. which is the only one I've played in, our current version of town is weaker, though with more communication roles to back it up. We're also facing much more enemies, with around 40% of the players being potential scum and no way to find out who it is unless one of our infos speak up.

How so?

Nicodemus is our current largest threat. With him still alive, there's basically a count-down of 10 days, unless we lynch potential denarians constantly or manage to roleblock him. Also, killing him off would drastically lower the denarians' chances of victory.

Dracula is basically the same thing, except Mavra needs to die first. Also, we'd know for sure who he was. He can also do massive swing votes against us, so if black staff or anyone important reveals... Well, Dracula might get his lynch, which would be really bad for us. All Drac really needs to do is taint those who are least likely to be NK'd or lynched and he'd have an easy win end-game since he can command his army indefinitely.

Erlking because of his free kill power, though he's arguably a much lesser threat than when I read the role wrong and thought the Hunter and Hunted both died.

I want lurkers dead because:

1) They don't post, which means I can't really read much scum tells off of them, if they are scum.
2) They're making this game pretty boring when discussion is mainly between a few players
3) In several games now, especially WH:E, the lurkers ended up being the last scums left and they would only pop up to vote or give out excuses. Once they end hit, they'd start coming out to mess with us, like how Gila did.

The Ashaya and Krogan thing wasn't even an accusation. That was just me saying they both had the same ideas as mishie and would be probable targets for the next NK if the scum really are killing people who show logic. I was also just trying to right out every connection that could be possible and explaining to Krogan why I made that connection in the first place.


Personally, I still suspect Zennith. Yeah posting on phones is terrible, but having that same excuse two days now?

Still, 28~ hours left. Just hope it's not a deadlock again.

Also, got work for next 6~ hours. Can't make long post.

 

Okay, here's some information that should liven up debate for today. I am in contact with Ebenezar McCoy (whose identity I'm not going to reveal for obvious reasons) and he has told me that Zennith survived an attempted night kill last night. There is a 5/7 chance of him being a scum role from this, all of whom would be leaders of their respective factions, except for Tessariel. If he is town, however, he is either the Merlin (and has a good chance of surviving the lynch) or John Stallings, having used up his only life and thus not a major loss to us, should he turn out to be innocent.

 

If true that is very interesting.. combined with the suspicions multiple people have already posted against him we may have our lynch target.

Zennith, anything to say in your defense?

 

And, interestingly enough - this is completely false. In fact, something did happen to me last night. But instead of an attempted night kill, it was something else entirely. Here's the direct event:

"You're surrounded by a white light and a feeling of faith descends upon you. You notice two figures sigh in relief as you are revealed to not be a Denarian. "

And so, fascinatingly enough, what Aekiel says is not true at all. In fact, I was found to be innocent of being a Denarian.

I find it strange that you'd make something up like this Aekiel. Seems a pretty scummy thing to do - and it makes me highly doubt that you are truly in communication with the Blackstaff.

 

You can not be a Denarian and still be scum, Zennith, but your denial tells me that you're probably not the Merlin or John Stallings.

 

Because if I didn't defend myself, I would be more likely to be one of those two? Your logic seems faulty here, you're grasping at straws.

 

Some extra information for the Knights of the Cross. You checked the Blackstaff on the first night and he turned up innocent.

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Zennith, if you had admitted it you would have likely been confirmed as town, though that would bring its own problems. Since you haven't, and you've been acting pretty scummy all game, it says to me that you're almost certainly scum.

 

Now that's clever of you. The others, including the Knights, have no idea who the blackstaff is, and so you could claim this was true and since they almost certainly investigated somebody they wouldn't be in a position to explicitly deny it. Clever.

 

Oh no, I'm just giving them extra information to work with. If they conclude that what I say is true, then they now know who the Blackstaff is, but I don't expect them to just out and out accept it.

 

And at the moment there's absolutely no way to conclude much of anything.

This whole thing seems to me like you're trying to make a move. I don't believe you're truly in communication with the Blackstaff. You're intentionally putting me in a position that you think will result in my death no matter what - as you said, if I "admitted" that something happened that really didn't, you'd think I was town, and then I'd likely be night killed. On the otherhand, by denying it with evidence that I'm at least not a Denarian, you say that makes me seem scummy even more.

You want me dead, Aekiel, and I'm really curious to find out why.

 

More information. From the qt the Blackstaff and I share:

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And yet more information. Here is the quoted text from the Blackstaff about the Knights checking him.

 

Aekiel, can you clarify on the bolded part. The "Red Duchess' power" is a refers to her night action of sending people to eBay or just flavor? Because if it is the former than either Stojil or I are the Blackstaff. Or did I just completely misunderstood what was written in that message?

 

This is the other portion from my QT last night - I attributed it to the Denarian Check, but perhaps it was something else:

That's all I had. If there was an attempt on my life, which I'm still not certain is true, the only possible reason I would have survived is if someone else protected me from a night kill, anticipating that I would be a target as per the conversation in this thread lately. Someone like Forthill, for instance, may have seen this coming and protected me - making it much more likely that I'm town.

You know this is possible, and yet you did not note this as a possibility originally. Again, I wonder why that is?

 

I was hoping no one would notice that. >_> That was a fuck up on my part.

It's possible, and I'm surprised I hadn't thought of it (I'm playing with a hangover, it's not helping me at all), but that still leaves us with a 5/8 chance of lynching scum. Since your denial of the Blackstaff's nightkill attempt suggests that you're not the Merlin or John Stallings, that would make it a tentative 5/6 chance of you being scum.

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I'm willing to take those odds if it means potentially lynching one of the scum's more powerful roles. Hell, you could be the Red King himself, or the Erlking. Either of those would be an exceptional kill for us.

 

My denial is based on the fact that I'm still alive. And I'd be as surprised as anyone if I survived the Blackstaff's night kill.

 

Looking at the exchange I feel Aekiel's case is considerably stronger then Zennith's defense. Aekiel's actually volunteered information while Zennith hasn't said anything very convincing.

Question though Aekiel: what was that bit about the Red Duchess?

 

I'm literally volunteering all of the information I have. Would you prefer I made something up?