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The Struggle For Dark Hallow | Everybody (But Kalas) Wins!

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by SmileOfTheKill, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. SmileOfTheKill

    SmileOfTheKill Magical Amber

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    SUDDENLY, KROGAN WAS HIT BY A TRUCK AND DIED.
     
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  2. Big Z

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    Well, shit, that's bad. I came out at you specifically because of your post history and because Thomas blocked my check on you in particular (confirmed by Smile it was an info block, not a general role block), which unless he got terribly lucky in guessing who I was going to check, would have made a lot of sense in you being White Court. Sorry and I guess that's a major derp on my part, for playing the odds but in my defense, I also had no choice since I was continually facing a info block constantly.

    I'll wait for Morgan to come on to confirm that I am indeed Dresden, though it pains me to screw up like this...
     
  3. Snowflake

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    This game is just turning......xD Anyways, I can't vote today because of the Red Duchess.
     
  4. Big Z

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    Well, since Krogan was town, I freely admit I have no other checks outside of confirming those I previously noted as town. I was holding off on checking Lungs because I believed him to be the Red King. I'm open to suggestions.
     
  5. coleam

    coleam Death Eater

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    I want to believe you, but the I have literally zero read on the people you checked. No one can ever get a read on Jon (and it's better than 50/50 that he was the Archive, after Azira's derpiness yesterday), and Castiel and dhulli have both been lurking the whole game. What was your reasoning for checking Castiel and dhulli? They aren't exactly power players.

    Honestly, if you really are Dresden, it was a very poor idea to reveal now. You only had one scum check, and the scum aren't in any real danger of taking control of the game, what with the Black Court wiped out and at least two Denarians dead - and that's only the ones we're sure about. They only have two ways of killing: the Reds' NK and seduction kills (provided the Knights don't get there first). In the absolute worst case (the maximum number of scum are alive, we lynch a non-scum every day, and the Knights don't clear any tainted people), we'll still have 4 days. Perhaps if we were in danger of not finding a lynch target, you could have revealed towards the end of the day, but revealing with this little info first thing in the day strikes me as utterly idiotic.

    And a really good way to confirm whether Jon was Lara Raith would be to wait until Day 6 ("tomorrow") - if he was Lara, then there can't be a White Court seduction on Night 5 since Madeline and Thomas are limited to no more than two seductions in a row, and we had NobelFiction seduced on Night 3 and myself on Night 4.
     
  6. Another Empty Frame

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    I say we just lynch Lungs, you can check more dubious folks.
     
  7. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    In fairness Z, after that you can see why we can't trust a damned thing you say now, right?
     
  8. Big Z

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    I'm also pretty sure that I've been the target of the Red King for the past few nights with only the Merlin helping to save me, so yes, I've felt I've been on the chopping block for quite a while now. Considering the fact that Jon already revealed me as Dresden, I felt I really had nothing to lose in coming out in the first place, especially if Merlin was the only person protecting me the past few nights. Scum already had a good idea of who I was, there wasn't much risk in my mind.
     
  9. coleam

    coleam Death Eater

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    If he really is Dresden, he's just going to get role-blocked to hell and back.
     
  10. Big Z

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    Yes but you do also understand where I'm coming from, right? I felt I've been scraping by every night since Jon revealed me as Dresden, which means my chance at survival is pretty dim, especially if Merlin doesn't keep protecting me if he doesn't believe I'm Dresden. Adding in what I believed to be a solid lead, which was playing the odds on Krogan, I felt the possible reward outweighed the risk, especially since scum most likely already guessed that I was Dresden and started taking measures to nullify me.
     
  11. Klackerz

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    On other news, wtf happened to the Blackstaff.
     
  12. Seratin

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    You mean Forthill, right? He can only protect you two nights in a row.
     
  13. Big Z

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    The fact that I wasn't roleblocked or killed by now astounds me, considering the fact that it would have been the best move by one of the scum since Jon's reveal of me. I was hanging by a thread, at least now you get some information as opposed to nothing at all, if I'm dead.
     
  14. Seratin

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    I'd be willing to bet that either Fen or Jon were Susan or Blackstaff. Susan hasn't whored in a while and there hasn't been a second kill.
     
  15. coleam

    coleam Death Eater

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    It's not an issue of risk. It's that you have absolutely no way to verify anything you've claimed AND you've had your one "scum check" shat all over by Krogan. You just made yourself completely useless to the town over one little sniff of potential scum - not even confirmed, no matter how suspicious it looked. When you claim a role as big as Dresden, you have to have solid, concrete, irrefutable evidence. Not "my infocheck was blocked, so he must be scum". Hell, you didn't even wait to see if your suspicions about Jon were confirmed. You literally gave us jack-shit because, as Seratin said, we can't believe a word that you say now.

    If you think the Merlin's been keeping you alive for the past couple nights, then what did you have to fear? He probably wasn't going to stop unless he gets hit with a lucky role-block - you were easily the most important player still alive.

    ---------- Post automerged at 01:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:25 AM ----------

    You keep talking about risk to yourself, but it isn't about you. The town can, and does, win without the cop/Dresden all the time. You need to reveal at a time that is advantageous to the TOWN. And that isn't when you have only one hint that one person might be scum.
     
  16. Big Z

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    Then lynch me if you don't believe me, quite frankly, I feel shitty for gambling like this but I also thought I had no choice.

    Because I would have been rendered useless anyway, Madeline goes prior to the Merlin and until we kill her, odds are, I would have been roleblocked since then anyway. I went after the person most likely to be Madeline, which would have freed me up from any blocks on my checking. I'll agree that I probably derped in posting this entire maneuver but that's the way it goes when you take risks, I guess.
     
  17. coleam

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    I believe that Susan last whored on Night 2. I'm guessing that Fen was the Blackstaff though since there should have been a Blackstaff kill on Night 3. Unless Mavra used her one kill on Night 1? No way of knowing that though.
     
  18. Big Z

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    You're wrong about my motivations, it was never about me in the first place. Based upon the evidence that was gathered, including Smile confirming that Jon's list is mostly accurate but not exactly accurate, I concluded that it was very likely that Jon was scum and my check on him returned a false positive. With Castiel and Dhulli being confirmed as town, that also increases the possibility that Jon was Lara Raith, since it would make tremendous sense for him to randomly put in people for White Court, but leave in legitimate analysis regarding everyone else to insure his side "wins". In combination with the above factors, it points to a certain set of individuals, of which I felt Krogan was one of them. Could I have waited? Probably, but again, I thought my time was short and took a calculated risk, if it hit, then everything goes into place for a town win.
     
  19. Koalas

    Koalas First Year ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    I'm sorry what? When did Smile ever soft confirm Jons list? That would be Riley levels of derpiness..
     
  20. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    No, Jon just literally made that list up, trying to show he was more powerful than he was. I honestly don't buy much of it. And my reads are relatively different in a lot of ways.
     
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