I am guessing that because Jon said we were scum, he wanted to confirm.

 

Within my QT. It's why I acted the way I did, since I was basing quite a bit off that.

 

I am Warden Morgan. Big Z is Dresden.

 

Yes, considering I was told that the list was mostly accurate though not exactly so, the best play would be to try and confirm which portions weren't accurate, which would also help point out the remaining portions that are accurate. I chose to confirm White Court first and foremost because of their role blocking abilities. Once you and Dhulli were confirmed as town and that portion of Jon's list as inaccurate, considering what I mentioned above, then that leads to the conclusion that Jon was Lara Raith, which then everything else is based upon.

 

So as long as its in a qt Smile will confirm role guesses? That just doesn't add up to me Z. The danger of Jon's, or any players list for that matter, is you don't know how much is truth and how much is lies. He was right on you/Xantam obviously and Zenzao as well. But dead wrong on Azira seeing as Snowflake was auctioned.

 

Also, I just checked my QT and have been tainted by denarians.

 

Smile who is replacing dhulli?

 

I can't quote Smile exactly but he basically gave a soft confirm concerning the list's general accuracy, with a qualifier that it wasn't completely accurate, which is why I acted the way I did.

 

You mean to tell me that Smile basically told you that most of Jon's post was correct. That is a derp by Smile if you are telling the truth.

 

Smile... Get the fuck out.

 

Well, Big_Z could be lying and Xantam may be a scum mate of his. If we take Jon as Lara Raith, Xantam/Big_Z as Madeline/Thomas Raith, it would make sense that he'd want to give them both strong roles in a fake role list that we'd be hesitant to lynch.

Morgan is important because he protects the Merlin. Dresden is important because he's, well, Dresden. It would also coincide with Big_Z not getting many scum with his 'checks', since at this point there are at most seven scum roles left, three of them being the White Court.

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Also, all we have to go on for the Smile soft confirm is Big_Z's word. If Smile did confirm it, then he's been a crappy mod. If it's a lie, then it adds a bit more weight to Big_Z's argument that would otherwise not be there.

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And there's no way Smile can confirm whether he did it or not without being even worse of a mod.

 

Why are people still using anything that the game mod may or may not have said as proof within this thread?

 

Yeah, I don't think Smile should respond as to whether or not he's confirmed it, but I also don't think that after Dresden 1 (no offense, Riley, I had great fun, but you see my point) he'd actually go and confirm something as ambiguous as a player-made scumlist, partially or not. Personally, I'm feeling a lot more suspicious of Big Z all of a sudden.

 

However, Xantam replaced Stoji and should have the same role and while Stoji was a bit overzealous, I did not exactly have the feeling that he was particular scummy.

 

I don't see where all of this suspicion towards Big Z is coming from? I know for a fact he is Dresden. At this point, I'm just confused why Krogan was so vehemently anti-Big Z. It's unfortunate that I had to roleclaim, but as bad as that was, it would have been even worse for the town if I hadn't supported Big Z/Dresden.

 

At the risk of meta-gaming, I was in contact with Stojil for the majority of the last Dresden game. His overzealous attitude is something that appears to be a part of his play style in general, rather than just for a given role. Then again, he was town in that game and we don't know for certain whether he is/was town in this game, so perhaps I could be reading it wrong.

Also, remember that Jon spoke up for Stojil as being town, and we can't trust anything Jon says in this.

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Xantam: You're acting as though your roleclaim is at all provable. You and Xantam could just as easily be scummates as you could be Dresden/Morgan.

 

Why else would Stojil attempt to contact me in public using my exact wording if we were scum? That doesn't exactly make much sense...

 

Hmm, good point. I guess Stojil switching out has thrown off my role reads a bit.

 

I can only speak for myself, but even after all this, for Big_Z to quote or mention stuff from the game mod that he may or may not have said to him in the QT, even after it was repeatedly said to not be done, that makes him suspicious or at the very least off-putting.

Even if everything he said is true, I have a harder time to buy it now.

@ Aekiel : At the same time, we also can't assume that everything Jon said is wrong. Operating under the assumption that none of the roles could possibly be right is as dangerous as the assumption that all of them are one hundred percent true.

 

Obviously Jons list is half true, parts of it have been proven wrong while others have been proven true. What you have to keep in mind is that the list was written for the benefit of his faction. And thfact that it was Jon who brought up Stojil's post mirroring in the first place worries me.