Curing Aekiel makes a lot of sense to me, unless he soft claims a role where it would be a Very Bad Idea. The problem with the rest of your plan jwlk is that it requires role revealing in a Warlock game :/ not to mention that the Kens might have already blown his One Shot on Azira.

 

Holes and flaws: point them out. I'm not saying there aren't any (I explained my wrong assumption about the Palindrome which should explain the Moridin omission in a few scenarios), but just saying they're there and not enlightening the rest of us isn't helpful and is scummy.

If Zenzao had been the KaiDASH and made Fishy Justice a KaiBOT (why?), it had to have happened on night 1, right? The next day/night (in which if the KaiDASH is killed the Bot dies too) is day 2/night 2. Zenzao was killed night 1. The rules seem to say that Fishy shouldn't have died, if that had been the case.

Unless with "the next day/night", Lungs also considers the two night phases. So KaiDASH makes a KaiBOT on night phase 1, on "the next night", phase 2, he is killed and the BOT dies with him.

I very much doubt it, but Lungs, can you clarify this?

I have a soft spot for the lynch-a-lurker tactic, instead. It saved my life on the very first day of my very first mafia game, in which it was started by a townie and it ganked scum.

Anyway, I tried to lynch other people by putting a theory behind my vote. It didn't work at all. Maybe my theory wasn't the most sound of all time, but strangely enough, people seem to prefer going for the mostly-random, gut-feeling-induced vote.

Your posts have little to no content, though. This said, I'm hesitant to keep my vote on you. You sounded honest in your defense.

It's much, much more likely he is either the Palindrome or the Ashaya. A candidate Mayor is going to be put under a lot of scrutiny, that's a given. Aekiel has already claimed his role is a good match with the Mayor title. That to me means that he's powerful and doesn't have any oneshot abilities or important ones he would be crippled without. If he's town or scum... that is yet to be seen.

If he's a Hermonie, he is either the Ashaya (con: she checks guilty) or the Palindrome (con: she checks guilty).

They can hope the Zeitgeist dies before finding out their "status" and revealing it, or if he does, they can counterclaim him, seeing as he's the only town role to check guilty as well.

Both him and the Ashaya check insane, while the Palindrome checks sane.

I think the Vira would be the last Hermonie role to be considered for Mayor candidacy. If you get the title, the jwlk heal is to be pretty much expected at some point, and the Vira has too many useful oneshot abilities to risk losing them.

 

I'm not sure about the Aekiel plan. It could work, but that's assuming Aek isn't an important role/ the jwlk is alive/ etc.

Lots of long posts, Stojil. >.<
I might not have posted much content, but it was all relevant (mayor vote for example). Not to mention, there are people who posted less content like I keep saying. :/
I understand, though. But like I requested, if you guys are suspicious because of my post count and not my actual posts, just let me switch out.

By the way Stojil, if I'm correct in my thoughts, you're the one who needs me alive the most. I think you can figure out what I'm talking about.

 

Yes: If a KaiBOT is made on Night Phase 1 and the KaiDASH is killed on night phase 2 or the next day phase, the KaiBOT dies with him/her.

 

I think I know what you're implying. If true, search elsewhere. I'm not your man but I understand why you would think so.

 

Ok so just back after valentine's.

Stojil, the way you've been posting honestly makes me believe you're town and I'd like to clear this up, I'm not on any "team" bar town. I gave my reasons for voting Taure and since it looked like it was between Aekiel and Azira I chose Aekiel. Mainly because I didn't trust Azira in the least and I felt Aekiel was being fairly genuine.

Now I know this hardly helps me make the point that I'm not in a team but I do think Ashaya is genuine.

Someone I'd look out for is Kensington. He seems to be posting now and again with little to no substance, prefering to sit back and watch as we fight among ourselves. I don't like it and to me, it's more of a reason to lynch than Snowflake.

Deadline Lynch Vote: Kensington.

 

Argh... so there is the possibility that one of the couples was KaiDASH plus KaiBOT. I need to think about how unlikely/likely it was.

Seratin, I agree with you about Kensington. I suspect him as well.

But all the four of you I pointed at (Taure, Ashaya, Aekiel, Seratin) seem to always forget a part of my reasons for calling you a team.

You forgot Mishie.

Anyway... whatever, man. It seems like I can't convince anyone in this game so you should be safe.

/frustrated

 

Rescind Lynch Vote

Got Snowflake talking, which is good enough. Going to be out most of the day; ends at ~6pm EST, right?

Kens, Republic (who still hasn't said much), other lurkers I mentioned earlier still look a decent shout, will wait and see who comes out today.

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re: KaiBOT, hadn't realized it worked on the same night. I do think it slightly more likely that it was a Kai-KaiBOT death, rather than the Moridin, because while Azira was suspicious, it was early and he was effectively neutralized in the asylum. If so, choice of KaiBOT was a bit strange, but maybe trying to protect against NK on someone quiet?

 

I think you're stretching the Mishie thing, Stojil. I voted for him because I've played scum with him before and he was posting like he did back then. I can't account for the opinions of the others.

 

So if the KaiDASH KaiBot'd a Hermonie in Night Phase Part 1, and he got NK'd in Night Phase Part 2, the Hermonie he KaiBot'd will die at the same Night, too?

That complicates things.
Azira, Mishie and Fen. None of them could have been the KaiDASH. Zenzao and FJ ... I'm going to go on a limb here, and say that none of them were KaiBot and the KaiDASH either.
I'm basing this on the fact that both said the same thing "upon X's death, Y killed himself". I doubt Lungs would use the same phrasing for different causes of death.
And then there is the flavor, which gives some clues as to how each died.

No, I think the KaiDASH is still alive.

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I could be wrong though, and Lungs could consider the events of the death between the Lutris/the Matt and the Kai/KaiBOT to be similar enough to have the exact same phrasing.

 

Yes, Rep. If the KaiDASH KaiBOTs a Hermonie and is lynched, he takes them down with them.

 

I am stretching the Mishie thing? Really?

You, Ashaya and Aekiel thought of him and Azira as scumbuddies because Mishie asked Ashaya why she didn't trust Azira.

I think of the three of you (plus Taure) as scumbuddy because you agreed on Mishie, on the Mayor vote, on the Azira scumminess and partially on the initial Taure vote.

Am I really stretching it?

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and Lol at the tag "uncle stojil is hermonie herself"

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And Rep, Azira could still be the KaiDASH, theoretically. Since his power acts before the Asylum incarceration, he could have KaiBOT'd Mishie and then ended up in prison with him (Azira by the Irene and Mishie by the Mayor).

The only other candidate (with which the other couple being KaiDASH/KaiBOT could work) is Zenzao and he had to have KaiBOT'd Fishy Justice (again, why?).

I find the second scenario very unlikely, while I could believe in the first one, I think.

 

I'm quite agreeable to the possiblescum!mishie TheKaidash!Azira idea for two reasons.

1. Mishie claimed to support me, and as well as he and I are getting along lately (which truly makes me happy), we all know my mafia tactics amount to three things, haphazard townie, smart scum/important role (see Dresden 1/2), or insanely bizarre warlock. I like these styles and I stick to them. Mishie knows all of this as he's much more skilled at mafia than I am.

2 I voted for Azi, and if he's scum, boy will my face be red

 

Okay sorry to rehash old ground but a lot of people seem to be operating under the assumption that the Hermiones ganked the OTP last night. Now in what universe does this make sense? OTP gives The Palindrome one layer of protection. That isn't something you want to throw away DAY 1 unless you're getting some very real gains from it. And I don't see those gains.

Look at it, they either got two semi-lurkers (yay?) or killed Azira and mishie. Two players who we were already somewhat suspicious of. What use would their be in killing either of those so soon?

So if we take OTP off the table what do we have? Lutris/Matt and kai. Lutris and Matt share a QT so I can't see mishie being so.. obvious in his support of Azira if they had a qt to coordinate. Leaving Azira as the kaiDash who put his protection on mishie and Zenzao as the Lutris with Fishy Justice as Matt.

From there we have several scenarios:

Azria's Death: Moridin (possible as he was under suspicion) Vira highjack (possible but not real gain) Hermione NK (possible but no real gain) Vesvius Modkill (possible given Azira's role hinting)

Zenzao's Death: Hermione NK (Zenzao didn't have much presence, classic no lead lurker lynch), Vesvius Modkill (could have seen something in Zenzao/Fishy's posts and got lucky).

Jon is also a possibility but the likelihood of him blowing it this early are practically zero.

tl;dr I think the OTP is still out there. Thoughts?

 

Your "Azira's Death" seems to go to the conclusion that Moridin was the most likely killer. If that's the case, then why exclude the OTPs? If Azira and Mishie were OTPs and they were killed by Moridin, your premise "it doesn't make sense for the Hermonies to kill them" stops making sense, since it wasn't them.

Anyway, I don't know what the two couples were. I tried to narrow it down and eventually decided it could have been pretty much any combination that has come up until now. I can't decisively exclude anything.

 

Kalas: The Vesvius' modkill is a Soulsteal by a different name, even attempts are publicized.

I don't like you because we all know that yet you seemed to skip right over it.

 

@Stojil: Agreed that we don't have enough info to work of off. I listed Moridin as a possbility but putting myself in his shoes I don't feel the case was strong enough to gank either of them.

@Gambit: And I don't like you cause you think you played good scum in D2. That said you're right on the public attempt. Herp a derp.

Final conclusions: Moridin is rash, Jon derped or Hermiones are super agressive.

 

Kalas, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we have all that information? or were you just re-caping evrryhthing. Being said.

 

Understanding what happened is well and good, but we need to get a move on soon.
We need an incarceration, to those of suspect (hopefully not me D8 ). I wouldn't go for a lynch, because we really can't afford mislynches, and now we have the alternative of the Asylum.

If you believe that we have enough clues or giveaways to lynch someone, then by all means, go ahead.
I wold personally go for Jangel, but I'm probably alone in this, so I'll wait.

 

Not sure if I didn't understand what you mean or you don't have things clear (or maybe that's me).

1) There's no one in the Asylum.

2) We can't vote anyone to the Asylum.

3) The only thing we can do today is lynching someone.

4) If we don't lynch anyone and the Klackerz is still alive, then someone will be lynched anyway.

5) wut?