I can't say I understand it myself. It was quite obvious to me that the Mishie had died. I can only speculate as to why I was targeted for night kill, or why they even tried to NK in the first place. Maybe the Hermonies were unsure as to the cause of the nightly protection, or realized it was the Mishie but just said "why the hell not", I really don't know. All I can say is that I'm not a Hermonie, and don't know why I was targeted. Not particularly moving, I know, but there's nothing I can do to prove it, really.

This is where I start to lose you. Yes, we know the identity of the Vesvius. We also know that he successfully modkilled, and so has +1 life, and that the Smile may well be alive. Why on earth would knowledge of the Vesvius alter our lynch strategy? We can't kill him, the best we can do is commit him to the asylum. Of course I'm pushing other targets: would you have me call to lynch the unkillable Vesvius?

And I don't think my suspicion of Republic is baseless, at all. He's been acting suspiciously from the beginning of the game, and I've been consistent in arguments towards him the entire time. Look at my posting history regarding him: he's been rightly top of my scum list the entire time; why would this change, with new knowledge of an unkillable scum? It's a really bizarre line of argument, and I'm not sure why you keep harping on it.

Furthermore, if the strongest link between Ashaya and I you can come up with shared suspicion of the incredibly guilty-looking Republic, then lol.

And now you've degenerated into senselessness. You say:
1) Lynch myself or Ashaya.
2) Irene, incarcerate Castiel.
Meanwhile, 3) Irene, incarcerate myself/Ashaya.

The suggestion that the Irene should commit anyone other than Castiel is utter lunacy: we should leave confirmed scum that can kill, and who is invulnerable, able to use his power!?

This reads to me as an incredibly clumsy effort to divert town's attention away from dealing with Castiel, and our asylum/lynch targets yesterday which most everyone agreed with, and has to call into question Taure's allegiance.

 

3 is on the night after 2, not simultaneous with it.

Because we have the option of using the lynch to determine if the Smile is still alive or not.

The extent of his suspicious activity has been pointing a lot of fingers around very loudly. Uncle Stojil did the exact same thing and we don't think he's scum.

Also, you accusing him consistently from the start of the game isn't a sign of innocent in my eyes. It's the exact cause of the suspicion, given how little reason there was to be suspicious of him in the first place. Had we not been lost for lynch targets, it's unlikely we would have ever considered him suspicious.

Your reply has made me more convinced than ever that you're scum. Since you're acting more suspiciously than Ashaya (her main suspicious activity being coordination with you), I'll go ahead and get this started:

Standard lynch vote: Jangel

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To expand on this, we can determine this without using the lynch, but it will happen faster and with greater certainty (not relying on the Moridin) if we use the lynch. So the decision is how much risk we want to take. I think the plan I set forward is pretty comprehensive.

 

Actually, Taure, I do have reasons for being suspicious of Republic. I admit, they aren't the best reasons, but they are the best ones I have. Republic said we shouldn't lynch him unless we want to lose the game, and honestly, the only role that he could be in that case is the Irene (IMO), and if so, he wouldn't have committed himself.

So, he's grasping for straws to defend himself after having fucked up and defended his Vesvius.

He may not be the Smile, but it's a hell of a lot better of a lead than anyone else, at least in regards to the Smile. If we were going after a possible Hermonie, I'd vote for Jangel in a heartbeat, as I said I AM suspicious of him, but the Smile absolutely must be our priority.

So, I will keep my vote on Republic and hope that the rest of the town shows up soon. If you think Republic may be the Smile, lynch him. Otherwise, Jangel could be lynched, and I will certainly vote if the votes are needed, but I think Republic is the more important target.

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Also, Taure, you realize that the only possible person that is dead who could be the Smile is Vesvius, right?

I'd prefer if we didn't risk wasting that much time on the hope that he was the Smile. I'd rather we at least had a better chance of the Smile being dead than that prior to us going after Castiel

 

This is a nonsense: the only use of today's lynch that makes sense, today, is lynching the most likely theSmile. We do that... by lynching the most likely scum. If I now want to lynch the most likely scum, and before I also wanted rid of the most likely scum, why the fuck would my target change?

We get rid of the Smile by lynching scum; knowing who the Vesvius is does nothing to change that, and you suggesting that it does is just bizarre, wrong, and misleading.

No, not pointing a lot of fingers.

The reasons I gave, in my first post fingering him: "I'd be for putting Republic in the asylum, as well. That poem nonsense D1, really suspicious response to me pointing him out earlier, pointing fingers at me with no reasons behind them, only a post or two-worth of content."

Then, later, I grew more suspicious when Republic continued to try to defend Castiel/Lochness as town: which is even worse, now that we know Castiel is the Vesvius.

So no, my suspicions aren't baseless.

 

It's a pity we need to incarcerate Castiel. Killing republic21 via asylum vote would really help clear this up.

I mean, I read republic21's posts as mainly just saying anything to save his skin. And re: LochNess/Castiel, there were quite a few players who believed her/him to be the Castiel.

 

This, as well: if you're so certain I'm a Hermonie, why are you voting for me, when we need to kill the Smile today?

 

From the mouth of the game host:

So, we could actually lynch Castiel today, then if the Moridin kills him and fails, Smile is alive, leaving us to continually incarcerate Castiel. Up to you guys.

 

Taure's been incredibly anti-Town in his suggestions these past few posts. Doesn't make sense for him to be an ex-Mod, otherwise I'd be lynchvoting for him: put him as either the Jon, or a Hermonie.

As such, voting for the most likely the Smile:

Deadline Lynch Vote: Republic21

 

Jangel: I'm afraid I lack your confidence in our ability to find and kill the Smile (assuming it wasn't Vesvius) by lynching people until we get lucky. I feel that this will be doing scum's work for them. We'd probably get them eventually, yes, and the Vesvius too. But at that point we'd be all but ready to be defeated by the Hermonies.

And besides, how exactly do you intend for us to know when we have the Smile, and thus when we can lynch Vesvius? Should we try every day using the asylum vote? That seems awfully inefficient, and also oh so useful for the Hermonies.

 

Specifically, re Taure: suggesting lynching suspected Hermonies instead of suspected theSmile, and all the problems in his accusation that I pointed out in my first reply.

 

Ashaya: Lungs is talking about the Fen kill in that quote, not the Moridin kill.

 

How else do you suggesting killing the Smile, other than lynching him? Castiel will be in the asylum, harmless, regardless. If we vote to asylumkill him every day, we'll know if we've successfully lynched the Smile when Castiel actually dies. Meanwhile, we can also asylum any suspected Hermonies, once Castiel's in, and might catch the Jon while trying to lynch the Smile.

Point out a legitimate problem with that plan, please.

 

No, Taure, I suggest we lynch Republic. The Moridin strips off Castiel's +1 life, then we asylum kill Castiel. Hopefully he will die.

If he does not, we continually incarcerate him until we think we have killed the Smile. Not inefficient at all.

The Irene can continue to incarcerate other people, though I think she will have to incarcerate him tomorrow night as well, if he survives the asylum kill. Otherwise, we can simply vote to keep him in there.

Then we can also put more people in asylum and asylum kill them if needed.

Doesn't sound inefficient to me. :S

 

Especially since we'll have Aekiel and the Irene's asylum commits tomorrow to use on suspected hermonies.

 

The Vesvius' protection is not affected by the Asylum because it is tied to the power of the SmileOfTheKill.

 

Stop derping, no he is not.

So basically, NO MATTER WHAT ATTEMPTS TO KILL CASTIEL, BE IT MORIDIN OR LYNCH OR WHATEVER, IT WILL REMOVE THE +1 LIFE.
The Fen thing just means that Vesvius COULD have been killed by the Fen rather than the Jon, making Smile innocent.

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Also meaning the Fen is still alive, which is why I asked.

 

If people go free when they survive an asylum kill vote instead of staying incarcerated, just keep him incarcerated until the end of the game, while adding suspected Hermonies to the asylum and killing them, and lynching suspected Smiles (or asylum-killing them as well, depending on how long the Irene survives).

 

Jangel: I consider the Hermonies a greater threat than the Vesvius, especially as we now know who the Vesvius is. I find it rather suspicious that you are attempting to direct all of the town's attention onto the Vesvius/Smile combo, and away from your scum faction.

Consider two options:

1. We use both our asylum powers to combat the Vesvius, by keeping him incarcerated, effectively disabling him, Meanwhile, we use lynch powers to conduct normal town business i.e. finding the Hermonies and the Jon. Once we have dealt with them, we can turn our attention to the disabled Vesvius. This is my suggestion.

2. We use all of our abilities (lynch and asylum) on finding the Smile so that we can kill the Vesvius, even though we can keep the Vesvius imprisoned by voting for his continued incarceration every day. Meanwhile, Hermonies run free, completely uncontested. Jangel's suggestion.

The second option a) relies on a lot of luck that we kill the Smile before we kill too many town players, and that we know it when we do b) benefits the Hermonies most of all.

 

Not completely uncontested, since we're throwing them in the asylum (and lynching people).

7:35:32 PM <Lungs|Cloud> though, in NP1, he [the Vesvius] still has a chance to modkill, between his release and his reincarceration

we shouldn't completely ignore the Smile, as well, since every successful modkill makes him harder to kill.

 

You forget that in looking for the Smile, we'll be lynching scummy players. In any case, I mostly just think of players in terms of 'suspicious' and it is only in the case of Republic that I think of him as the Smile.

So, I am proposing that we lynch Republic first. We all agreed that he was a good asylum target, then Ollie screwed that up. So, the first order of business should be lynching him, who is highest on my own (and others') scum lists.

Tomorrow, we lynch someone else. Jangel, someone who might have all of a sudden popped up and done something incredibly suspicious (I would say you, but I highly doubt you are an ex-mod, and while you could be the Jon, I think, I doubt it). But today, we lynch Republic.

HOW is that using all of our abilities to find the Smile? We are simply going after the most likely target today, keeping Vesvius imprisoned, and then continuing with trying to lynch ANYONE WHO IS SCUM. Though yes, I dearly hope we get the Smile.