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Naruto Manga Thread

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Verse of Darkness, Feb 17, 2007.

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  1. Starwind

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    Did anyone else have trouble loading the images? I kept having to refresh each page a couple of times to see them, wether it's just my browser...
     
  2. Republic

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    That's uh ... that's ... that actually sounds quite awesome, when you put it like that.
     
  3. Knyght

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    I've no problem with having at least one character like that.
     
  4. Howdy

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    Jiraiya had to stumble upon Myoubokuzan before the toads would teach him sage mode as well. In fact, I don't think he even had the toad contract until he found the place.

    As far as the chapter goes, I don't think it was terrible, all things considered. I've always hated Kabuto as a character and am, as always, disappointed in the way Kishimoto has forced him to remain relevant to the story. I always hoped that Orochimaru or some other big shot villain would just tear his head off because he mouthed off one too many times.

    Snake sage mode is fine by me, but it seems that they don't care too much about who they share their knowledge with. And when the hell did Kabuto have time to do all of this testing/training?

    Lastly, it seems like the members of the Uzumaki clan had all kinds of weird powers and abilities. I wonder if Kishimoto is going anywhere with that?
     
  5. LT2000

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    You're just about to be rid of him for good I think. It would be bullshit of the highest order if he were to somehow survive against both Itachi and Sasuke.
     
  6. Hashasheen

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    Orochimaru had a great personality, something alone the lines of the Ultra Humanite except creepier and far more arrogant. Orochimaru wants to become the apex evolutionary creature, a Doomsday (DC Comics) if you will, by learning and mastering all the jutsu in the world. So what he does he do? He decides he's going to become immortal, because fuck it, he doesn't have enough time as is to learn it all. And while he's still working that, he learns how to give Death the middle finger by constantly jumping from body to body, continually altering his body to suit his needs for learning jutsu and becoming said apex evolutionary creature.

    To him, the Sharingan is just another step to learning more jutsu, to expanding his knowledge of various bloodlines to incorporate into his perfect body. That's how far down the line Sasuke, the Uchiha and the Sharingan were.

    And what makes it even better is that even though Orochimaru tries to project himself as this ultimate being, this ultimate mind so utterly above regular shinobi, he still has the most human of failings: Arrogance. He thinks that he's already become better and stronger than Sarutobi, who he mocks and looks down upon for weathering the damages of time in acceptance. He mocks Tsunade for running away from her past and trying to continually lose herself in various ages in her disguise, possibly always those before Dan died. He no doubt is still amused to this day that Minato kicked the bucket so soon after becoming Hokage, or that Jiriaya aged gracefully, and delights in mocking Naruto's aspirations and actions like he's some peasant who doesn't know any better.. He thinks he's so far above humanity, above the shinobi creed and existence that he plans to instigate wars between Suna and Konoha (posssibly expanding to the entire continent), because he was bored.

    That's a level of self-preening, arrogant douchbaggery that has to be seen to be believed, especially because he doesn't earn it. He's jobbed to the Akatsuki (not really, but he obviously fears them), to Sarutobi (a man he viewed as old, decrepit and a worthless figure of his past), to Tsunade (an old comrade little more than useless due to past tragedies she can't get past, while Orochimaru has abandoned his old human life), to Itachi (a fucking teenager and one of the last member of the Uchiha. If Orochimaru didn't have some underlying Sharingan envy considering how easy they learned jutsu, and some anger due to how Itachi just narrowed his field, then I'm fucking leprechaun), and even to Sasuke at the end. Sasuke, the barely-trained badass who struck him at his most weakened and critical state, and Orochimaru was arrogant enough to strike at him in a weakened form that he had to know subconsciously that Itachi had been able to fuck over.

    Orochimaru is pretty unique as far as things go, being a pretentious, deluded, arrogant character who legitimately thinks he's a demi-god on the way to rip open the Gates of Heaven when in actuality he's little more than an incredibly successful parasite lucky enough to spit in Death's face.

    Now, Kabuto's just shit. He had a great deal of potential early on and I think he really could have been something had he gotten some of his mysterious background fleshed out, but currently he's just a waste. No reason to be doing anything, no reason to be doing taking the steps he's taking besides wanting to outgrow Orochimaru and Orochimaru's name. That's not a reason for living, that's the melodramatic shit superhero sidekicks get up to.
     
  7. Vincent

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    However, if Jiraiya did have a contract then he could have easily been summoned there like Naruto was. Orochimaru already had the snake contract and he still had to look for the place.
     
  8. Nemrut

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    Wasn't it mentioned that the snakes didn't particularly like him? At the very least Manda, who should have been pretty high on their foodchain, despised him.
     
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    Given the way things are going, I just hope Sasuke doesn't pull Hawk Sage Mode out of his arse. I think he used a hawk summon against Danzo and even Tobi/Madara/whatever-he-is didn't seem to know where Sasuke'd gotten it from.
     
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    Yes. Because Naruto is known for avoiding bullshit.
     
  11. redshell

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    Tayuya comes to mind, although she's the only in-canon redhead I can think of at the moment.
     
  12. Knyght

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    Karin, Kushina, Mei, Gaara, Roushi, Tayuya, Mito, Chouza and Nagato are the red-heads of the series. Possibly Juugo and Jiroubou if you include orange.
     
  13. Striker

    Striker What's up demons?

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    Er... I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but hundreds of fanfic writers have just been proven wrong in regards to Naruto's healing ability. I was always kind of suspicious as to why Naruto's Bijuu seemed to be the only one that actively healed their host, but damn. I never thought all those shitty Uzumaki bloodline fics would turn out to be true.
     
  14. Datakim

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    I strongly doubt Narutos healing is an Uzumaki thing. There is that scene where Sasuke pierces his Chidori straight through Narutos torso and lung, only to have the injury heal itself in seconds. This happens when Naruto is channeling Kyuubis power. There are also other scenes where Naruto is injured and not drawing on Kyuubi, and he does not regenerate. Since Naruto only shows such extreme regeneration while drawing on Kyuubi, we can be pretty sure that its not an Uzumaki thing.

    And why would it be odd that only Naruto has that ability? Naruto cannot spit ink from his mouth like Bee can. Nor can he do any of the other stuff that we just recently saw the edo!jins do. It seems that each bijuu/jinchuuriki has their own unique abilities that differ from each other. Super-healing is Kyuubis.


    As for the whole Uzumaki thing, Naruto got a bit gimped there.

    Kushina got the chakra chains of doom that could easily bind Kyuubi, and keep a younger Hiruzen out.

    Mito somehow got the negative emotion sensing without the KCM route (I presume anyway, since surely it would have been mentioned otherwise).

    Now we learn that Karin has special chakra that can heal others.

    Nagato may or may not have somehow been a good host to the rinnegan (has to be some reason Tobi/Madara picked him), and he had humongous amounts of chakra to be able to control 6 dead bodies at long distances.

    As far we know however, Naruto got nothing from being an Uzumaki. Then again, maybe he would have become overpowered if he had, since he did get Kyuubi.


    As for Kabutos SM. While it makes sense that SM would not be limited to toads alone, I really hope Kabuto is the only person other than Naruto to use it. I worry that its going to go the route of rinnegan where everyone will soon be using it and making it utterly boring. Sasuke will use hawk SM. Itachi crow SM. Tsunade will pull out a slug SM. And the moment Kakashi goes dog SM is when I stop reading. :)
     
  15. Ragon

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    One thing about Kabuto's sage mode, if it's like toad sage mode he isn't good at it. Naruto looks normal except for the eyes because he mastered sage mode. Jiraiya looks different because he wasn't able to master it and had too much sage energy. Kabuto looks like a snake, and if it's like TSM hasn't mastered it.

    Itachi might have to work this time around simply because he is trying to not kill Kabuto. Otherwise Itachi by himself should win this one hands down. Itachi and Sasuke is like dropping a nuke when all you need is rocket launcher.

    On the thing of everyone with summons getting sage mode, who really needs it? Sasuke, Itachi, and Kakashi with using their various summons sage abilities would be beyond over powering when you consider their sharingan abilities. If Orochimaru had it, I'm willing to bet Tsunade has it, because the Sannin are supposed to be sort of equal, even though it's obvious by now that Jiraiya is head and shoulders above his teammates.
     
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    Including orange is an awful idea, because there's a shitload of filler characters with orange hair.

    Also, I was talking about characters whose ancestry we're not sure of, basically bringing your list down to Mei, Gaara, Roushi, Tayuya, and Chouza. Of those, we can safely assume that at least Mei and Chouza had an Uzumaki ancestor, because Uzu/Whirlpool is fairly close to Kiri/Mist (I think they might have annexed it, or that's fanon talking), and the fact that after Uzu/Whirlpool was destroyed the clan (consisting only of Kushina, that we're aware of) moved to Konoha.

    Also, just had a thought. Wouldn't that mean that Chouza is somewhere in there related to Tsunade and Naruto? Mito and Kushina are the only Uzumaki women to have lived in Konoha (Again, that we're aware of), so there's that. Although this IS a manga, so similar hair color doesn't always mean anything.
     
  17. Knyght

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    TBH, I think Tayuya's the only one who could have descended from an Uzumaki. No known last name and she has special chakra as noted by Shikamaru.

    Filler isn't canon so it doesn't matter.
     
  18. uju32

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    Think of it this way.
    We know that drawing on the Kyuubi chakra reduces Naruto's rationality;we've seen it several times.In enough quantities it actually starts burning off his skin.That seems like the type of condition the body's natural systems would consider A BAD THING.
    We also know the seal Minato used on Naruto was designed to leak Kyuubi chakra into Naruto's system from the beginning.
    It's plausible that Naruto's special chakra was mostly occupied with suppressing Kurama's hostile chakra,reducing his natural healing.When he actually drew on it,consciously or not,the Kyuubi chakra would supercharge his special chakra and healing,but at the cost of reducing his rationality.
    Said irrationality being the reason why Naruto's special chakra opposed the Kyuubi's in the first place.
    That leaves the open the possibility that the intent-sensing is actually a native ability of his and not native to the KCM.
    It would be amusing to find out that Minato had actually gimped Naruto's early development rather than enhancing it by turning him into a jinchuuriki.

    What about Kushina,then?And Miko?
    Well,neither of them became jinchuuriki till they were much older;Kushina was at least 4 when she first came to Konoha,and Mito was already married to Hashirama.Given that it didn't become common knowledge that Konoha held the Kyuubi until well into Naruto's life,there are three conclusions to be drawn:
    1)Konoha didn't use either in battle.This suggests their seals were not designed to harness their captive bijuu.
    2)Their seals were different from Naruto's,being more focused on containment than control.Naruto's on the other hand was designed to leak Kyuubi chakra into his system from the beginning.
    3)The age of the host at first sealing may very well affect what ability(ies) are available to the jinchuuriki.

    No wonder Uzushio got bumrushed;those guys were monsters.That many quality nin from that small a manpower pool must have terrified neighbouring villages.I would not be surprised to discover Konoha connived at their destruction;even as allies,their existence must have made people like Danzo nervous in the extreme.And it would explain why Konoha was unable to send reinforcements to such an important ally.

    Makes the fic Second Bloom look very very good right now...
     
  19. Knyght

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    Naruto's wound healed unusually fast when he stabbed it after fighting the Demon Brothers (as noted by Kakashi) and his wounds healed faster than normal after his fight with Kiba (again noted by Kakashi). Naruto himself admits that he's never had an injury which persisted after he's had a night of sleep. Whilst Naruto can't regenerate (or doesn't know how to do so consciously), he's always been a fast healer and his recovery rate is extremely high.
     
  20. Datakim

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    The incident where Naruto regenerated a lung was before he even went KN1. He was still rational at that point. It is only when he goes 2 tails or more that he goes berserk.

    Not sure I buy this. I would think if Naruto had some special anti-bijuu chakra, it would have been mentioned already. Kushina had such chakra, and it was apparently a big deal (she was brought to Konoha specifically because of that). If Naruto had inherited that, surely it would have been brought up by now. The manga is nearing its end already.

    While not impossible, the most plausible explanation is that Kyuubi can indeed sense hatred and its from him that the ability comes. This is even implied when Naruto goes to open the seal after conquering his hatred in the waterfall, and Kyuubi asks Naruto where the "real Naruto" is, since he can no longer sense the darkness inside Naruto.

    One interesting thing about KCM is that right after getting that mode, Naruto attacks Kisame but cannot control his power and twists his ankle. For some reason this minor injury (atleast compared to having a huge hole in your torso) does not heal. Could that be a clue that Kyuubi is somehow controlling the healing process, and since Naruto had separated the KCM chakra from him, no healing occurred. Then again, it was said that in order to use KCM, Naruto had to temporarily "shelve" his own chakra so he could use Kyuubis chakra, so if it is his own Uzumaki-chakra that enhances healing, putting it away like that may explain why his ankle did not heal.

    Agreed on all counts here. We know that Mito gained negative emotion sensing somehow, but probably not KCM (since that would be major news). A different kind of seal would explain it. Also compare the way Kyuubi is bound in the bijuu-world in Kushinas world in contrast to Narutos. In Kushinas case, Kyuubi is practically crucified with multiple stakes piercing through him. In Narutos inner world, he is trapped behind bars but otherwise is unharmed.

    Was Danzo even around back then? I thought the village was destroyed long ago, and not due to any bloodlines but rather due to their proficiency in fuuinjutsu.


    Sure, Naruto does have fast healing anyway, but we also know that Kyuubis chakra constantly leaks from his seal. That could explain his accelerated healing even when not using Kyuubis chakra. Its only when he actively uses it that it supercharges to the levels we saw during the fight against Sasuke.

    It might be worth mentioning that several people do attribute that healing to Kyuubi, including people who knew of Uzumakis and would presumably be in a position to know of their abilities. Kakashi for example must have known Kushina since she was the wife of Kakashis mentor. And yet it never even occurs to Kakashi that Narutos fast healing could be caused by anything except Kyuubi.
     
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