Indeed, Geabe has been lynched (successfully at that) and Night has begun.

If anyone has questions about their Nightly activities, PM me. (or better yet, direct email)

Night will last ~48 hours (minimum 24). I will be reviewing this game to decide what future deadlines (for Day) will be, tentatively considering 96 hours (minimum (still) 24).

I invite players to offer their input in this thread (or privately if needed) on this subject. Please do not publicly post any justification or reasoning for your argument that could be interpreted as mechanical game significance.

Additionally, we are currently looking for at least 2 more replacements--recommendations are welcome. (People who know active players tend to be more reliable than random folks.)

 

A 48 hour long night phase seems a bit excessive. :/

 

I'd think that it be better if both phases were cut in half. 48hr-60hr/24hr respectively. At the very least night should be cut down to 24hr.

 

72/36 day/night.

 

Is it just me or does moscone say day 2's started for everyone else. Didn't we have another 24 hours?

 

yeah can nobody post until chocopi comes and sorts stuff out?

 

Night ends when everyone has their stuff in, just like Day ends on a hammer. Sorry for any confusion, but don't worry: The transition to Day was completed as intended.

...with one big exception. (aka discovered bug) The Court did not yet have a majority, but had non-zero votes--the system thought the Court was ready since one target did have more votes than the others. However, as it was not a majority, it was resolved as a null. (No target, as the game log indicates.)

Testing had not uncovered this behavior, because both automated and by-hand tests did not emulated a prolonged, gradual vote across the minimum deadline time. In other words, testing was not sufficiently similar to human behavior and I apologize.

This has been fixed for the future.

There are 3 choices I could do. I will listen them to explain my choice (which is already made) in the spirit of transparency:

1. We could continue as is, with no N1 Court kill.
2. I could manipulate the game state to kill the target who has the most Court Votes.
3. I pause the game for a moment to allow the court additional discussion/voting time, and manually kill their target.

#3 is a flawed, non-solution. Info roles have already gotten N1 information, so even if those roles are not on the court the path is not viable, as it risks serious game knowledge corruption among at least some players no matter how it is defined.

There are a few issues with #2 and #1 alike; but long story short though, there are fewer with #1. I can safely say that #2 has the potential to upset significantly more players (Court and not) than #1.

Keep in mind that I have the benefit of limited omniscience here, including being privy to Court discussions. I can assure you that this decision was well-informed, and will post in Court chat specifically to address this.

In other words, yes: We are continuing onward without the kill, as is the current state of the game.

Ultimately as seemingly major of a deal as this bug is (correction: was), it ends up having minimal impact on the game state. For example, a mod-kill would be magnitudes more disruptive than this. So would lack of a Coven kill, which would *have* to be modified.

Again, sorry for anyone bothered by this issue. Please contact me, here or in private, with any questions or concerns. I'd like to reiterate that it has been fixed, and that I hope we can all begin Day 2 in smiles.

Except Fenraellis of course, who is dead.

 

Hm. So, what has Fenraellis done in this game? So we have almost 4 days left. I just played board games for 16 hours straight, so I'm going to go play more board games and pass out at some point. I'll check back.

 

Can't really see why Fenraellis was killed, unless there were metagame analyses behind the decision I haven't found any reason for the Coven to want him dead. :S

 

I'd like to hear any metagame thoughts people generally have on Fenraellis, from those that are used to playing with him.

Couple things pop out for possible reasons why he was killed: He was lurking, which can sometimes be a sign of a power role... or that he was just busy.

As I was writing something else, I just realized that if I wrote it out I was possibly making a link for the scum which they might not have made otherwise, and didn't really do anything for the town as a whole right now. So, yeah, shutting up.

To go to the more vague workings, the fact that they've started with a 'lurker' rather than a 'driver' can be interpreted a couple ways.
A) Drivers are scum
B) drivers are looking in the wrong direction (herro Klackerz)
C) WINE based reversal of the above
D) Killing a driver would draw attention in some way to a scum

The drivers right now, imo, are Eidolonic and Kai. From my memory of the thread, nothing jumps out at me for D.

 

Well the only reasoning I can see behind killing him is because of his past. Fen before was scum and openly played it when he knew he couldn't die. As for this game he didnt say anything that would give away what he was. I know he has been busy with real life stuff and hasnt has a lot of time to get online. Think there could of been a few better choices for a night kill then him.

 

I can't see any obvious in thread reasons for the kill. It's probably based on past games in that they wanted to kill of someone who could hurt them later in game, and maybe they were afraid of angel protection on some of the more vocal players, so they went after someone a bit quieter. What I did find interesting is that one of the few times Fenraellis was mentioned was by Geabe, who suggested him for a place on the court, I wonder if there's some sort of connection there.

Would you care to elaborate on this? I'd like to see a post from you with more than four lines.

 

I'm a bit surprised that Eidolonic wasn't targeted given the nearly unanimous town-read on him - the coven really had nothing to lose by targeting him since the chances of him being lynched were slim to none. Of course, it could just be an attempt to throw us off.

I can understand why Kai wouldn't be attacked though (provided he's town) since several people are suspicious of him and there was even an attempt to start a bandwagon on him.

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or, as Bill Door said, maybe they were expecting angel protection on Eidolonic.

 

You want him to say who would have been beneficial for scum to kill? Or are you asking why is he even saying that, because that seems to go into Geabe territory where he intentionally or non-intentionally helps scum.

Speaking of why Fen was killed, really only reason that comes to mind, as others have said, is past games. He did not participate much in the 1st day, so if they were looking for mayor players he was not one of them.

On the other hand it looks like there was a discord in the Court? What with votes on several different people going by Chocolate Pi post.

 

I want him to make a post that has some substance to it. So far the only thing of note he has done is a fairly questionable piece of stealth voting, and I want something that will allow me to get a read on him.

 

Maybe I dont want you to get a read on me, in all honestly I was only posting that to let you guys know my opinion on him and all. The only posts I have been able to do are random times because of my college semester ending. As I said in one of my previous posts that I will have more time to focus on this next week when everything is done.

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I just didnt see a legit reason as to why he died when he really hasnt done anything to warrent it. I can understand previous games but to get someone who posted and said they were busy and were catching up seems a bit strange to me. So I guess now we should just target any inactive to remove them all from the game. (inactive meaning anyone who hasnt posted a fucking story book of details.) I dont post much because you guys say it all for me. I have my suspicions but those kept to myself are better then running a bandwagon. And if you want to bring up the Moscone voting thing, I was playing around with it to figure out all the features and make sure everything was working. (Sorry for being a computer major and wanting to know if the program works right) Any other questions you want answered?

 

Something super weird happens in literally every game of WitchHunt I play. >_>

At least we know that Fen was the witchkill? Like, I'm pretty sure it was a "kill a strong lurker" sort of situation, but it also sort of annoys me that Fen's getting hit night 1 in like, all of the recent games. That's the worst sort of metagaming D:

 

I wasn't referring to your vote on Lutris, it was when you voted for Geabe and then didn't declare it in thread until after Eidolonic called you on it.