Except, Batman is cool. Captain America has a full body unitard and a Frisbee with a handle.

 

Don't you DARE drag Batman into this, heathen.

I think Tony said it best in the Avengers movie, "Anything special about you(Capt.), came out of a bottle"(paraphrased).

At least whatever gadgets and abilities that make Batman ( and Iron-man ) legit SUPER-heroes, are stuff that THEY came up with. THAT is what "smart" is.

 

Are we really having a pissing contest about heroes and their strengths/weaknesses in this thread? For fucks sakes, critique the story itself, not the hypothetical bullshit that belongs in the comic book section of the forums as none of this has happened yet.

To get back on topic, I have been enjoying your story a lot. It is very fun to read and it is highly entertaining. Good job on those marks.

 

It's not what you have, it's who you are.

/cornyoneliners

 

I'm confused. I don't differentiate between a super hero and a regular hero, but to me, Captain America is a hero. Not because of his physical prowess, but because of his personality and actions, and that is something the serum did not enhance in any way.

 

So how far along is the chapter?

(Trying to change the fucking subject)

 

About 75%. Wanted to finish it yesterday but stuff got in the way, so probably today. -tips hat-

As for this ridiculous debate : I'm going by what kind of stuff I've seen Cap's shield do and not do, in the movies particularly.

SHIELD : It would perhaps be good to have someone beta-read at some point that knows this a bit so they could go over those scenes and fix what needs fixing - I'm better at less formal and military stuff since I have no personal experience with such things and the movies/comics only really touch on that sort of stuff peripherally.

Villains : As you might've noticed, I'm setting up some stuff for Harry himself alongside many of the things that the Avengers themselves are doing; I don't think that just rehashing each of the plots of the others is in anyone's interest, even if Harry may intrude on some of those plots. Tony really doesn't need any help becoming Iron Man, after all.

Dr. Pym is a classic Avengers hero that's gone under half a dozen different superhero names (though Ant-Man, Giant-Man and Yellowjacket are probably his best known) and a variant of that character based on his ultimate appearance, along with Janet van Dyne (The Wasp.)

Given the fact that we don't see quite a bit of what happens between movies and it's unlikely everyone just sits on their ass until the events of Avengers come along, there's quite a stable of Avengers villains and peripherals to get into, and it would be interesting to explore if there's any mutants in this movie-verse too, even if the general public doesn't know about that. It's still a Marvel-verse, after all.

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If you've got the chance, can you PM me with some of the issues you have so we can discuss those? I'm pretty open to that sort of thing and I usually bounce some ideas off a few people around here anyway.

Regarding SHIELD - well, I blame my inexperience with military organizations like that, or really formal hierarchies in general. In daily life it's pretty casual usually. Perhaps a beta-reader could determine what about such conversations could be made more fitting.

Cheers.

 

Ok, I just read the Cap Wiki page. What the actual fuck? Steve Rogers was ressurected? In hindsight, I should have expected it, but his death was what I pointed to every time some obnoxious dude said "superheroes never die!". Damn you Marvel for making those obnoxious people right. Fucking hell.

On the subject of his combat ability, I'll say that even though I don't like Cap all that much, I have seen him in other people's comics featuring Cap kicking major ass. Not even in his own comic. The only avenger able to take him down would prbably be Thor. He has already beaten the most powerful members of the Avengers once or twice before, and the rest are too useless to mention.
It may make little sense when we're talking about it like this, but in the comics Cap's abilities are obvious, and very remarkable.

 

So what part of discuss the fic not the comics wasn't clear? I mean I'm a newb and even I got that.

Furthermore, why are people trying to make sense of superhero comic books?

I mean, they're comic books. This isn't exactly Sandman-calibre stuff here, I think petty concepts like "balance" and "sane fucking writing" is perhaps a bit much to expect.

In the interests of staying on topic, good work, I think it's all reasonably okay so far, but a really good beta would probably help iron out a few kinks. Don't take that as an offer, because the (few) problems I've noticed are exactly the kind of issues I do awfully at in my own writing, but it's really just a few minor immersion-related issues, and everything else is fine.

 

Yeah, it's unfortunate that Cap got shafted a bit in the movies, at least as far as showing off his badassitude. He mostly just gets to run around on the ground smashing his shield around (though I really appreciate the little combo with Iron man) - even the tv-series has him as way more kickass.

 

This is quickly becoming one of my favourite crossovers, its refreshingly well balanced. Very little re-hashing, and no ridiculous 'magic solves everything' vibe. I'm really holding out to see how you'll handle the action scenes though, from the way Harry has been handling himself I'm guessing we'll dealing with a Harry who 'fights-smart'.

Trying to include mutants into this could be pretty tricky, despite both being Marvel 'the avengers' movie universe is mutant free, just as the avengers and SHIELD don't exist in the 'X-men' movie universe.

Basicly it's due to different film studios owning different rights, and unfortunately owning the 'x-men' movie rights gives them rights to all mutants in the marvel universe (mutants who have been avengers like the wasp apparently are a grey area, which is one the reasons they decided against including her in Avengers).

Of course as you said just because it's not shown doesn't mean you can't include it, your story afterall. However I think if you start including mutants, suddenly a lot of SHIELD's assumptions about harry seem a bit off. You'd think the first thing they'd think after with their collected info would be 'mutant?'.

TL;DR mutants arn't in the movies, but your choice, could cause a cluster-fuck.

Edit: Sorry if gram/spell mistakes on shitty old comp at work.

 

A fair argument, and I bow to your logic. Still, including more characters from the Avengers comics that haven't made a film debut (even if not quite like their comic counterpart, much like many of the film characters are anyway) is probably a good way to keep the story focused on Harry and not everyone else's story while still keeping it a crossover instead of Harry dicking around with some superheroes around somewhere.

 

Pretty sure Fury mentions something about mutants (specifically the Liberty Island incident in the first X-Men movie) when they get into the argument over making weapons, but it's been a few weeks since I saw the Avengers.

 

Finding a beta is damn hard, in my experience. None of the ones I got into contact with made it beyond editing chapter 1 of any of my stories before they just left. -sigh-

Someone's already mentioned SHIELD-related stuff re:immersion, and I'd love to see more background on that so I can perhaps fix it. Aside from that, any comments are welcome as I'm quite open-minded to suggestions and edits.

For whomever asked about LA : the version here might have a mention of New York still, the one on FF should be fixed. I was thinking about the whole Stark Tower thing in Avengers and mixed the locations up with his mansion in Iron Man. Cheers.

 

As far as I can recall, when it's asked why these weapons are made, Fury points to Thor, goes on about how aliens are a threat etc, Tony gets all 'nuclear deterrent, that always calms everything down' and the only thing Fury says is that recently the world's filling up with people that can't be matched. I didn't hear anything about the Liberty Island incident, though you might mean a different scene.

 

Or I'm completely imagining it, that's also a distinct possibility. I'm pretty sure if it was in there, it was blink and you miss it.

 

By the power of google, I present:

 

Yep must have imagined it.

 

Oh man I still laugh at that one.

And for the record why was SHIELD building weapons was bad again? It was a nuke saved the world Iron man just helped it up to it's place. Rest of the Avengers were fighting the foot soldiers and loosing at that.

I found condemning SHIELD for building weapons hypocritical. They are military their job is to build weapons. What should have they have done? Wait for some hobos like Thor to save them?

 

I liked that scene because Thor stuck out like a sore thumb. Half of the conversations that occurred before they formed the team he spoke in, but was not engaged, but it really stands out in this one. He speaks like 10 lines and gets one response.