Amusing enough maybe Oro actually was aware of the possibility that Edo can break the control if it knows the seal and that's why he didn't let the First and the Second Hokage have too much free will when he summoned them. Kabuto thought he improved this technique when in the reality he made a mistake that Oro knew you need to avoid.

 

That would be amusing. Though it still would not explain why Tobirama did not break free right at the start, when he still did not have Orochimarus control tag in his head. Or for that matter when Orochimarus control was disrupted by Shiki Fuujin. Tobirama could have broken free at that point, allowing Sarutobi to release his hold on Tobiramas soul and giving Konoha an immortal guardian to replace Sarutobi.

 

We don't know how quickly it can be done. Madara had a lot of time to prepare for it when he was playing with the Kages.

 

Or, y'know, plot.

 

Does Madara even know the full capabilities of the Rinnegan? (even though he probably doesn't need them) considering he has only used the Preta path. I understand Madara had to stay alive for the plot but it just seemed way too convenient for me, a better method should have been used to keep him in the world of the living imo

 

yeah, kishi just hadn´t planned that far ahead i would assume.

talking about the final villain, i am still hoping for some kind of cool revelation about tobi though. when madara first appeared and started fighting i really didn´t get the sense that he had a powerful agenda or anything but just wanted to fuck things up for the hell of it. also wasn´t tobi pretty unhappy about madara being ressed?

on a completely different note: can´t sasuke use the cursed seal since orochimaru was sealed or does he just not want/need to anymore? or has kishi just forgotten about that?

 

Yeah. I think this was just poor writing. Kishi could have had Madara use Rinnegans Rinne Tensei for the exact same purpose, but without any of the resulting plotholes. Orochimaru for example could not use RT to turn himself into a freed Edo Zombie. It also would not have caused any problems with Tobirama. Having Madara use rinnegan/RT to escape death would have been a better in every way.

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For that matter, if Madara knew ET could be used to do this, what the heck was the idea with giving Nagato rinnegan so he would bring Madara back with RT? I mean Madara obviously KNOWS how to perform ET, and he knew that he could break free and become freewilled zombie. So wtf was up with being brought back via RT anyway, when he could have had Tobi or anyone just use ET to return faster and easier. Not to mention ET would have given him an immortal body that never runs out of chakra from the start, while RT would have just given him his far inferior mortal body. I guess Madara is an idiot too.


Oh, and Itachi ripped the cursed seal from Sasuke via Totsuka. He does not have it anymore.

 

But Orochimaru did learn Edo Tensei. He used it against Sandaime. He also resurrected Nidaime, who was the creator of the jutsu. Plot holes much? Even if Orochimaru used the sealing tag, Nidaime should have been fast enough to hax the technique.

 

I was being sarcastic in trying to point out how silly this move was. Sorry.

 

reread the itachi sasuke fight for the first time since it came out.

boy, the naruto world sure would have been different if itachi had really wanted to take sasukes eyes for himself, wouldn´t it?

and knowing manga logic it would probably have cured any diseases he might have had too... including but not limited to space aids.

 

You really think Orochimaru would allow himself to be killed on the chance that Kabuto might re-summon him as an ET zombie?

It's clear that Madara just pulled this seal out of his ass. Literally, because he would've used it from the start to be free from Kabuto's control, if it existed before this chapter.

 

I think Oro was manipulative enough to have some fanatical lackey he could trust and teach the jutsu to.

Did Madara have enough freedom from the start to do it and if he did have that much freedom then what purpose was there to using it? Madara conspired with Tobi on the Moon eye plan. Kabuto was working with Tobi towards it. Madara under Kabuto's command was doing the exact same thing he'd be doing of his free will. He only had reason to break the contract with Kabuto after Kabuto released the jutsu.

 

Not to mention the other Edo Tensei. Kabuto and Tobi don't really have a very solid alliance, do they? If Madara can break out of the Edo Tensei, it's conceivable he could have some way of swaying other zombies into following his lead, rendering Kabuto irrelevant. I'd imagine Kabuto would take steps (using the other zombies) to neutralise Madara if something like that were to happen. No point poking a stick at such a fragile alliance.

 

Isn't a Zetsu supposed to be hanging around Kabuto right now? I recall Tobi mentioning something earlier. And Kabuto mentioned his own "that jutsu" which may or may not have shown up yet.

 

Zetsu is still trying to get at the daimyos, I think.

Manga needs more Tobi. That guy is nuts. Fuck Madara.

 

I'm pretty sure both the original white and black Zetsu were killed already. He's probably talking about a random clone.

 

Yeah Madara is the typical arrogant evil villain. Tobi's identity has me all curious

 

The only person I can seriously see Tobi being is Madara's little brother. Yeah, he died but Madara gained the Rinnegan before death and so could probably rez the dead. My long shot guess would be the elder son of the So6P.

 

You guys haven't figured out who Tobi is? It's obviously an advanced Madara clone partially based on Zetsu.

 

I've always hated the clone idea.