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Naruto Manga Thread

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Verse of Darkness, Feb 17, 2007.

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  1. Izanagi

    Izanagi First Year

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    On this point, didn't Ao say it was part of Shisui's normal Sharingan to influence the thoughts of others using genjutsu, whereas Kotoamatsukami requires the Mangekyou and takes 10 years to regenerate and was the ultimate Genjutsu which could control someone completely(or subsequently be used to break out of the Edo Tensei). So if Danzo was only influencing Mifune's thoughts, not completely controlling him then as soon as he realized what was happening it should have been easy to choose the Raikage.
     
  2. Datakim

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    I once thought this actually. It made sense to me, especially since in other MS eyes, the powers in the two eyes tend to be different. However that idea was recently debunked in that Itachi flashback, where it was confirmed that both Shisuis eyes could use Kotoamatsukami, and that Danzo had indeed acquired an eye that used that. Danzo could use it more often than 10 years, because he had Orochimaru implant Hashiramas dna on him or somesuch.

    Its possible however that Danzo just was not as good at using the eye as Shisui/Itachi, even if he could use it more often. Thats the only thing that makes any sense to me whatsoever. I mean on the whole, Danzo having a mindcontrol at level of Koto that he could use once/day makes no sense. How was he not Hokage? Or power behind the throne to whom Sarutobi was but a puppet? How did he not control EVERYONE in Konoha, when he could use Koto every single day, (compared to Shisui and Itachi, who could use it once per decade). Want something done? Koto. Someone complains? Not the next day they won't. Someone gets suspicious? They were wrong afterall (the next day anyway).
     
  3. Aerylife

    Aerylife Not Equal

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    The whole senju dna/sharingan arm thing is a little weird, perhaps he didn't fully develop the arm or get it to work until recently. The same could be said for Shisui's eye, maybe he couldn't safely use it until he got his Senju Dna to increase his stamina.
     
  4. Vincent

    Vincent Death Eater

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    Well he was certainly the highest ranking member among them.

    Danzo was unlucky. He was in the village that the Hyuuga settled down in. They'd be able to see that people are under genjutsu. Danzo trying to mindcontrol his way to Hokage with the Byakugan so widespread in the village would be foolish.
     
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  5. Starwind

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    Dont know if anyone else has heard yet- the next movie is going to be an AU and sounds like it might be pretty good if done right.

    "Sixteen years ago, a mysterious masked ninja unleashes a powerful creature known as the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox on the Hidden Leaf Village Konoha, killing many people. In response, the Fourth Hokage Minato Namikaze and his wife Kushina Uzumaki, the Demon Fox's living prison or Jinchūriki, manage to seal the creature inside their newborn son Naruto Uzumaki. With the Tailed Beast sealed, things continued as normal. However, in the present day, peace ended when a group of ninja called the Akatsuki attack Konoha under the guidance of Tobi, the mysterious masked man behind Nine-Tailed Fox's rampage years ago who intends on executing his plan to rule the world by shrouding it in illusions."
     
  6. Republic

    Republic The Snow Queen –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    So basically it's like those fanfics in which Naruto's parents survive, only awesome?
     
  7. Celestin

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    I can't believe I'm saying this, but Sasuke seems to be a cool guy in it. Also, Hinata. :awesome
     
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    Where are you seeing this?
     
  9. Knyght

    Knyght Alchemist

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    Celestin Dimensional Trunk

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    I posted link to concept arts few pages ago.
     
  11. Jon

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    DEEEEET.

    MFW Kishi wants to do a better job and is to lazy to reboot. >_>
     
  12. Wildfeather

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    Or maybe Danzo is a patriot and didn't want to use his mind control powers unless he had to on fellow leaf shinobi? I suppose that is a little bit too hopeful though.
     
  13. Republic

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    What I saw there looks awesome. The concept of Naruto actually being raised by the Fourth and Kushina is one of my favorites, and I greatly enjoy fics who get this right.

    On the other hand, there are several pitfalls this movie probably won't escape. For example, Naruto (and his abilities) being exactly the same as canon, never mind that things should be completely different.
    Also, why Minato isn't just curbstomping everyone.

    Despite that, I'm eager to see it.
     
  14. Datakim

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    Except Ao did not see the genjutsu itself on Mifune. He saw Danzos eye, which matched Shisuis chakra, and Ao matched that chakra to Shisui who he had fought and deduced that Danzo had used genjutsu on Mifune. So all Danzo would need to do to avoid being found, is not use the genjutsu where Hyuuga are present. Hyuuga would not see any genjutsu already placed inside Sarutobis head, just like Ao did not see the genjutsu inside Mifunes head.

    Not to mention that Hyuuga should be able to see the eye/face thing anyway, whether Danzo is using it or not. So either he should have been exposed as a horrible genetically engineered freak long ago, or he has some way of blocking Hyuuga sight.


    You are talking about the guy who threatened Orphanages with lost fundings to blackmail little kids who don't want to into becoming Shinobi for him, and at the end tricking said kid into killing his own mother, just for kicks.

    The same guy who hid underground, when the entire village was being decimated by Pain (that Izanagi/Koto sure would have helped there.), just to guarantee that Tsunade would croak, allowing him to become Hokage (so much for village coming first. Sure seems to match Danzo coming first awfully conveniently). A fact made all the worse by the fact that he was the one who actually helped kill Yahiko, and therefore drove Nagato into madness, making him indirectly responsible for the very attack he is hiding from, while his village dies above him.

    Yeah, I think if he can sacrifice civilians and the LIVES of his fellow Konoha Shinobi, he would have little problem with brainwashing. Especially when we have actually seen with Sai, that he does this brainwashing to EVERYONE who joins him. How did you like the part where the final test for Danzo is making one of his trainees murder the other (someone who is basically brother to them at that point), just to see if his feel-no-emotion brainwashing had worked to the point where they would both go through with it without hesitation (a conditioning-process Danzo conveniently chose not to put himself through)? The caring and loyalty to fellow Leaf Shinobi is just shining through.

    Bottom line is that the part about Danzo being a patriot is just a lie he told to others and maybe even himself to excuse his atrocities. His actions speak louder than words, and they make clear that Danzo was ultimately out for himself and himself only. If that happened to coincide with what was good for the village, great, but if it came to a choise, it was Danzo all the way, and the village could turn into a crater for all he cared (which it did).
     
  15. Wildfeather

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    I never said he wasn't an extremist patriot, but if consider his actions from his own perspective, they make sense. Danzo is an "all for the greater good" kind of guy, sort of like those hilariously manipulative bad Dumbledore fics.

    Danzo believes that shinobi with emotion (which was the old status quo) are better than shinobi with emotions. So the best way to "kill" those emotions is to force them to kill their best friend, so he has them do that. This is the same way that mist has been for a while, and they trained guys like Kisame, Zabuza, etc.

    Not enough shinobi in the roster? Take the dregs and left overs of society and make them useful.

    Upstart group in Ame, as well as the potential for an alliance with an S class ninja? Hell yes. Oh, some rebels have to die? Okay, they shouldn't be trying to rebel against their rightful ruler anyway.

    Pein was an unstoppable killing machine. Period. While it may have been possible that he could have helped, the shinobi who actually fought Pein were the "undesirables" to Danzo, why fight to protect them?

    I'm not astute Danzo was right, humane, or in any way a good person, but it should be easy to see why Danzo still believed he was a patriot and acting in the best interests of his village, since by his skewed perspective he was. People like Tsunade, Kakashi, and Naruto are ruining the village. If you must sacrifice them so that the village can survive and grow stronger, than so be it.
     
  16. Vincent

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    True enough, but was Ao looking for the genjutsu on Mifune? Seemed like he was just focusing on whether Danzo was using the jutsu or not. Is Ao even on par with high level Hyuuga in the use of the Byakugan? Like the sharingan skill level seems to be a factor since base Byakugan range is 50 meters and Hinata increased hers to 10 km. It seems impossible that someone could be under a genjutsu without there being some foreign chakra in their system. A Hyuuga might miss it if they weren't looking for it but in a situation where people get suspicious they should be able to confirm it quickly enough.

    He might be able to on himself but it would be pretty suspicious if such blindspots started popping up over the village.
     
  17. Dark Syaoran

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    It's funny how this is one of the few times where Kishi has shown that the Konoha team-work theory actually works. After Wave, you never saw it as much.
     
  18. Republic

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    Lulz. Kakashi had time to shout out that he would deal with the kunai that was flying at Naruto when it was just inches from him and that Naruto shouldn't worry about it.

    Manga logic.
     
  19. gullibleoats

    gullibleoats Seventh Year

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    Huh, if anything this chapter proves just how amazing the 4th was. Two jinchuuriki who've mastered their beasts, Kakashi with Mangekyo, and Gai can't do what Minato did in a few seconds: hit Tobi.
     
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    Has been a long time since anything but Naruto fanfiction made me interested in Naruto but this movie of which I only saw the trailer and know little else about actually looks pretty awesome.

    AU in which Minato and Kushina are alive? Win.

    Badass Hinata? Win.

    Akatsuki at full strength with all its cool members alive vs Konoha and the Yellow Flash? Win.

    I just hope it avoids the usual Naruto movie pitfalls and doesn't try to bench Minato somehow in the last fight. I want to see him curbstomping a few Akatsuki members. [​IMG]

    Also, I hope we see a lot of Hinata in this, angry/arrogant Hinata just seems epic.


    As for the chapter, good enough fight, finally some modicum of teamwork again and Gai and Kakashi are awesome as always. Just don't give a crap about this fight anymore. Tobi is just so boring of a villain.

    Kind of want to see how things are on Orochimaru's end.
     
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