Let me lead off on saying I wasn't a huge fan of Menace's judge lynch plan. Mechanically it was fine but it felt like something scum could easily come up with/support for instant town points at practically zero inconvenience to themselves. And in the, while still informative, unfocused discussion was just.. blah.

One True Coven (Take 1)

jwlk - supported plan, had done it before etc. Like I commented on about Menace didn't come off as too fazed when it went nowhere. Far quieter/less town posts then I can ever remember (even compared to some games he was scum in). Didn't protect sP last night who very clearly was going to be the NK target.

Kai - Lurking and trolling. Makes one post worth the name. Attempts to start wagon on myself (very similarly to DlpHunt2) over the stupidest reasons, yes I repeated myself in a summary of my thoughts on the game. Go figure.

WIPLungs - very iffy on this one. He's a null read in a normal situation. He just.. fits with the above two as scum.


Take 2/jwlk was ultraTown

Custer(Vira) - Freaking submarine. Surfaces for air once a day then disappears. Custers made me feel a little better bet ehhhh.

Gambit - chiming in/next to no content. Only thing worse then lurking is trying to look like your not.

??? - I'd be leaning towards Menace if anyone, mostly due to plan shenanigans but really not sure on this last potential spot.

Townies

Aekiel/Stojil - they've got a good enough read into each others game that if one was acting off they'd have been called on it long ago. And the world where both of them is scum is.. not there.

Zennith - Tentatively as its due to meta reasons, but this really feels like classic overreacting Zennith to me.

People that we need to see more of:

Custer
Gambit

Castiel

seriously why bother signing up with this level of involvement. I forgot you were playing until I read Kai's post. Do something or get a fucking replacement.

 

Just want to point out that most of the stuff happens here when I am asleep. My timezone is GMT +5:30, and I need some time to go through the thread before making a post. Give me some time please. >_>

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His page 1 posts (first 100) are basically him vs jwlk on jwlk's plan to have judge make the first day lynch which doesn't really give me something. His point was fair but he misread the plan which I think was a honest mistake.

On page 2 (the next 100) he has quite a bit posts but they mostly don't have any content to work with. Most of the posts are one-liners or at most half a para. I might argue that he could be scum just poking at the town but I am not convinced because:

I mostly agree with his posts #202 and #221 which further counters the assumption that he is town.

I also have a really big scumread on Kai and him going against Kalas makes me more inclined to think Kalas's is pro-town.

I still think Vira was scum, so I would just like to remind everyone to keep a close eye on Custer.

I only have one scum-team in mind: Kai/Custer(Vira)/????

 

This post is goodish, but your earlier posts today were 'WOWOWOW PARANOIA WAS INTERESTING NK WOWOW' or generally crap

Exhibit one

>distancing from jwlk lynch
>INTERESTING WOWOWOW

Exhibit two

>wow I sure wish I had things to do

Exhibit three

>leave zennith aloneeeee

Exhibit four

>distancing from jwlk lynch
>INTERESTING WOWOWOW

(hey, I think we might have seen this post before)

So even if everyone else is going to give you a free pass, I'm not.

Lynch Kalas 2012 - For a brighter tinytown.

For other stuffs;

So I think theorycovens are somewhat useless, so I'm going to go with a 'people I think could be in the coven with annotations (and everything else that implies about non listed people) list' list instead.

people i think could be in the coven with annotations (and everything else that implies about non listed people) list

Ashaya - tbqh I have very little ability to read ashaya like other players. However, I'm reasonably good at patterns! And the pattern this game suggests scum.

Zennith - If Kalas is scum then Zennith could very easily be also. Less likely to be scum with Ashaya.

Castiel - Not with Custer

Custer/Veera - Could be scum with Ashaya, probably not with Castiel.

Kalas - Is pretty open to most combinations.

Lungs - Not with Zennith

Stojil - Feels bad

 

Rescind Deadline Lynch Vote

Deadline Lynch Vote: Kalas

Because this:

with this:

is definitely a scumtell.

Explain it very well or die.

 

Hardly a scumtell Stojil. What do scum on DLP do? Hit the town generating the most discussion or the hardest pokes. Day 1 I felt that sP and yourself, with Aekiel taking a distant third. Then you take into account his newness. People either have zero idea how he plays or asserts he plays well. Everything about that situation screamed very early NK or scum to me. It was the main reason I wanted him to have lump as well because

Unknown factor + good players + lump =/= NK Night 1 = Scum

Then Aekiel got it, so it wasn't AS sure a thing but still. 99 times out of 100 I'd choose soundlyParanoid as the protection target in the Day 1 situation we had.

 

I find myself agreeing with Kai. What manner sorcery is this?! The major reason I had for thinking him scum was his lack of involvement, but his last couple of posts have me placing him as tentative town. I don't like the idea of lynching him, but in order to prevent a second retarded judge lynch I'd hammer a lynch on him.

And since everyone else is doing it, here's a read wall.

Ashaya - I'm with seemingly everyone else in not being able to read her, but the link between her and Vira, as well as her general manner make me think scum.

Castiel - I've got what is basically a null read on him, but I find his logic for not posting pretty damn stupid. We're playing on a forum here, which is on 24 hours a day. If you have something to say, quote the posts and damn well say it. It doesn't matter if your post is 12 hours ahead of the one you quoted.

Gambit - Got a decent town read on him, despite my theory being debunked.

KaiDASH - As I said earlier, tentative town read, though I disagree on theorycovens being bad ideas. As long as you're willing to change your mind

Kalas - Looking pretty damn scummy, would work as part of my Ash/Custer/??? theorycoven. This is especially true with how he completely ignored the existence of Ash in his read wall.

Menace - The towniest town to ever town.

Uncle Stojil - Got a pretty heavy town read on him.

Vira/Custer - Ash/Vira/Kalas. OTP.

Zennith - Not as scummy as he was yesterday, but not a full town read as of right now.

 

typical etiquette is to unvote after saying something like this

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ebwop: lol you aren't actually voting me, carry on

[Help!] I'm being unreasonably passive aggressive (´･ω･`)

 

Okay, going on my read wall above, I'm going to change my vote.

Rescind Vote

Deadline Lynch Vote: Kalas

Now, Kalas! Defend yourself!

 

Nope. This isn't going to cut it and there's nothing you can say that can after your last post.

1) soundlyParanoid was a distant fourth as far as day 1 (dangerous to scum) activity went, IMO.

2) Who would kill "the unknown factor", really? If I was scum and I had to choose between a player I know is good and a player I'm told is good, there's no way I would pick the latter (in a vacuum, of course).

3) You (and dead jwlk too, for that matter) can't know if soundlyParanoid's day 1 reads had hit the mark, unless you're scum, of course.

So, in my eyes, none of these reasons explain why jwlk should have protected soundlyParanoid last night according to you. None of them point to the fact that he

What could point to that is Aekiel's theory. And I think that's what you didn't say in your reasoning the first time, nor in your last post. Too bad you let that comment on jwlk's protection slip out. That completely destroys your attempt at deception in my mind.

 

@Aekiel: I didn't post a read wall, I posted potential coven, confirmed (in my mind) town and called a couple lurkers out.

@Stojil: Then how about this? I can mechanically prove I am town.

@Kai: ... *slowclap* you managed it twice in two games props to you I suppose.

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And hate to throw a wrench in your deductions Stojil but the soundlyParanoid NK and Aekiel's theory coven are incompatible.

 

:facepalm I wasn't talking about Aekiel's theory coven. The facepalm is for if you thought I was, instead of just faking. Do I really need to tell you what I was talking about?

And the bolded part is a horrible, horrible, horrible defense.

1) It doesn't actually answer the accusation.
2) If you're really town, you gave scum a big hint about your role.
3) Do you expect me to leave you alone after that statement? Now you're practically forced to prove it, as far as I'm concerned, giving info to scum be damned!

Rescind Deadline Lynch Vote

If you're not townfirmed by tomorrow, you need to die. That's how I see it, anyway.

 

Huh, just realised I missed Lungs off my read wall. Dunno how I managed that, but here's my take on him.

Lungs - Rather scummy, but less so than Ash/Custer/Kalas. Could take Kalas' place in the theorycoven if what he claims turns out to be true.

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Okay, now for Kalas. I've got a proto-plan here. Point out if I've missed anything glaringly obvious, since that does (regularly) happen to me.

If you're the Martyr, sacrifice yourself for the person the witches target tonight. This will either force them to soup someone, giving us info with a good chance of the witches being wrong since it's only day two, or waste a nightkill. If you're not the Martyr I will ask that the real one be careful in deciding on who to protect tonight.

If you're the Dirty Old Bastard... Roleclaim now, we'll lynch you and you can target who you most think is scum. That townfirms you and doesn't make our lynch worthless. It also gives the Vigilante a go tonight, at least as long as I was right about jwlk.

If you're the Leeroy, do your thing today and let your best scumread have it.

If you're the Pope, there's nothing you can do to confirm it right now, so I'd be hesitant to believe it. However, we could keep you around and see if the witches nightkill you. The Pope is one of the more dangerous roles to the witches, below the Pope and the Vigilante.

If you're the Vigilante... Could be difficult to prove, but if we lynch wrong today you should target one of your scumreads. If there isn't a second nightkill tonight, however, we'll be looking right at you tomorrow. That said, there are a fair few permutations that would allow for you to be the Vigilante and there to be no second nightkill. One of them being that we lynch a witch.

If you're the Clown, well, that's impossible to prove without the Pope or Leeroy popping up to save you. Assuming you hit either of those last night.

I think that covers all the roles that can prove themselves to be town. So, if you're one of the Leeroy or the DOB, roleclaim and we'll lynch you to see if you're telling the truth. If you're one of the others don't roleclaim shit. If the Angels would consider protecting Kalas tonight, I'd be much obliged.

If you're the Martyr do your thing tonight (this plan also has the advantage of making the witches contemplate a nightkill on one of their own people, which would have a 1/6 chance of townfirming the target, or killing them outright). WINEWINEWINE.

Pope/Vigilante/Clown, well, again I'm relying on the Angels protecting you tonight.

Of course while we're doing this the witches are also benefiting from it, so perhaps this isn't the best idea. I think I'm willing to take the risk, especially if it turns out you're the DOB/Leeroy, but I would like a second opinion on this plan.

 

The bolded part is all I had left as you weren't going to listen to anything I could possibly post and I don't have enough posting time to convince everyone else that you Aek and Kai are all wrong.

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Actually... I wouldn't mind dying to confirm jwlk as town/scum. Thoughts?

 

That's a horrible defence. Looking after yourself as town is important, but giving the witches info just because you're looking to be lynched is a terrible idea. Given that I think jwlk was innocent, if you had been lynched today (and telling the truth) the Vigilante would have gotten a kill tonight. That would have proved you to be town in retrospect.

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If you're the Leeroy or the DOB roleclaim. If not, we're not going to lynch you. We'd be risking lynching our Vigilante if we did, which is retarded.

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Oh, I missed the Judge. If you're the Judge you are retarded and there's no way I'd trust you after you lynched jwlk.

 

Questions Aekiel: what is with your complete inability to even consider that jwlk (and to a lesser extent Kai) could be scum.

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Not a poke, just something I've been curious about as scum jwlk factors pretty heavily into my theory coven.

 

Because I got a very heavy town read off him on day one. I could be proven wrong, but I don't think so.

As for Kai, his posting on day one was crappy and full of nothing, but the past day he's put up some good posts that put him tentatively as town for me. Like I've said before though, I'm keeping an eye on him.

Also, don't think I don't see that doubtcasting you're attempting there.

 

Obviously you had a town read on him. The problem was he Kai-posted all day, besides arguing plan mechanics with me. And I'm not doubtcasting. Your obviously town, I'm just asking you to use less gut and look at posts :/

 

What Aekiel said, plus you had 3 votes (+1 from the Lump) against Kai's 5.

Anyway, I think Aekiel has all possibilities covered. So act on it, Kalas, either now or tonight, please.

In the meantime, a big FUCK YOU!! to those who have hidden in the shadow of this mess.

 

Acting on it. Confirming jwlk is more important then my role and potentially dragging this out to Day 3 is stupid.

Lynch Vote: Kalas

 

Deadline Lynch Vote: Kalas