The way you phrased it, you were saying that her changes in the subsequent patches were to make her MORE 'jpop' then she was, not balancing issues she had from being rushed out.

The clarification you gave in this post was necessary.

 

Spellvamp quints are great mid-late game too, probably far more useful then 15 ap. Using them, however, does make your early game damage suffer quite a bit, although you get sustain in return. I personally like using them for mana-less champions like Kennen and Mordekaiser, since you can just use spells constantly. Sometimes, keeping the burst damage will be better, but they are good runes to invest in nonetheless.

 

*If* I remember correctly for early game the numbers work out (at least on Morde) so that health regen quints provide more sustain than spell vamp quints.

 

Maybe, but i like eating face with metal. I did 2/1 vamp/regen and it works out well.

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Maybe, but i like eating faces with metal. I did 2/1 vamp/regen because i didn't have 6k ip to throw away (that's almost a new champ...). Or at least I will. I have the ap/level now.

 

You're probably right. But, spell vamp is infinitely better than health regen once teamfights begin, and Morde generally has no problem sustaining with spell vamp runes.

 

Yup no doubt about the mid/late game value of the vamp quints, just pointing out that early (1-4ish) they will only make a tiny impact. Granted that shouldn't be an issue as morde can just push and go heal/buy since he does well against most matchups (some junglers can wreck his game but that's a different discussion).

 

Always shield, never die!

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Morde es #1

 

Nidalee needs a rework to make her abilities and ultimate work like Jayce imo.
I would enjoy that.

 

Honestly I hate Nidalee. Obviously shes not op or anything, but in skilled hands her passive (and later her cougar speed) make her more annoying than Yorick.
(straightforward to counter, but annoying as fuck)

 

Aside from having access to Cougar Form at level 1, I'm not sure what would be the most likely 'bonuses' from transition(if you meant that part of Jayce's Ult as well). Probably some sort of boost related to attacking, when transitioning to Cougar Form, but not sure about Human Form.

Simply having Cougar at level 1 would be amazing though, if nothing else.

 

Would be all sorts of BS as Nid could crowd clear then proceed to spend all day counter jungling while the enemy tries to push back.

Maybe if they added mana costs to couger with a lvl 1 Ulti, I could see, but not as it is now.

Most likely scenario would be move speed buff on trans to human and an AP/AD temp buff within a few seconds of cougar trans.

 

Arguably, her crowd clearing isn't any better than many other sources of aoe damage, and perhaps even worse than most AP's(as she usually is built), since it's melee-range. That is of course with the primary exception, as mentioned, of costing no mana.

If the solution was simply to add a mana cost, than I don't really see a big issue with that, although I do wonder whether they should still at least be quite low, or more comparable to abilities of similar effect. Especially if there is no added persistent bonuses to Cougar form than what already exists.
After all, it's currently balanced to be as is post-level-six without any costs, and the only real difference between now and a theoretical 'then,' is being able to access Cougar Form within the first five levels.

 

Watched a stream of Soraka/Xerath bot, was pretty interesting. Xerath has strong poke, but too susceptible to ganks. Still, the idea was interesting. Anyway, was sitting in solo queue thinking "who would it be hilarious to troll jungle as?" then saw Taric. Should totally work, right? I'm not going to, but it makes a ton of sense. Lots of armor, stun, sustain, regens mana on hit, and life (hits reduce heal CD). Would have a not terribad gank compared to some (build lichbane for ms and burst) but have hilarious shock factor and really be able to turn around ganks.

 

The problem I see is how extraordinarily powerful she is at 6/11/16 because all of her cougar form abilities scale with her ult, not with her actual skill choices. That's one change I would like to see, where the cougar form gets noticeable passives while the abilities are actually strengthened by your skill picks instead of just by your ultimate.

 

I did it once in normals, not bad. First clear is rough, but a strong leash helps. After that it's pretty smooth and the ganks are good, given that the stun/shatter combo does a surprising amount of early dmg. Ended up winning, enemy team raged so hard at their Shyvana. Poor fellow.

Also, Yorick works as troll jungle. His clear time is average, but he ends up with so much health. You can literally start without any pots, the lifesteal ghoul and his passive are OP in jungle. Ganks aren't too bad, the slow ghoul is brutal and mid game you have your ult for team fights. That said I wouldn't try any of these in a serious match, strong/good counter junglers will wreck you and most other junglers will outscale you.

 

best troll jungle is jungle singed, because no one expects him, and he is actually extremely strong in the jungle.

He has good clear speed and amazing ganks. I know Dyrus rode him to the top of the EU West ladder a while ago.

 

Annie, heimer, karthus, teemo are all troll jungles that are actually decent.

Poppy and twitch too but I'm not sure if they are considered troll or not

 

...what? No they're not.

Poppy and twitch are meh junglers at best.

Jungling Tier List.

 

How is teemo considered a decent Jungler? He has no real cc to gank with whatsoever