1. DLP Flash Christmas Competition + Writing Marathon 2024!

    Competition topic: Magical New Year!

    Marathon goal? Crank out words!

    Check the marathon thread or competition thread for details.

    Dismiss Notice
  2. Hi there, Guest

    Only registered users can really experience what DLP has to offer. Many forums are only accessible if you have an account. Why don't you register?
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Introducing for your Perusing Pleasure

    New Thread Thursday
    +
    Shit Post Sunday

    READ ME
    Dismiss Notice

Questions that don't deserve their own thread.

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Quick Ben, Feb 1, 2012.

Not open for further replies.
  1. Peace

    Peace High Inquisitor

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    577
    Location:
    My computer desk
    Ollivander was kidnapped before Harry's sixth year and in the seventh book we find out that Voldemort took him to find out about the Elder Wand. Now question is, does anyone know if that was pre-planning on Rowling's part or did she just luck into it?
     
  2. T3t

    T3t Purple Beast of DLP ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    176
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    High Score:
    3,164
    Rowling probably had thought up the Hallows by book 6, at least. I mean, the Ring pretty much tipped it off after the fact.
     
  3. Constans

    Constans Sixth Year DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    184
    Location:
    Globetrotter
    He was possibly kidnapped because Voldemort wanted to know how to overcome Priori Incantatum. However, the Elder Wand question only came up after Malfoy's wand broke.

    I'd theorize that Voldemort just kept him captive after that - strategic advantage and all.

    That said, given the close timing of the last two books and how inter-connected they are it's quite possible that she planned it out.

    I think of it as a mix of both. Sorry it doesn't definitively answer your question...

    Edit: Taking in T3t's point and thinking more, I'll agree it was probably planned.
     
  4. Alive and Free

    Alive and Free Groundskeeper

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Location:
    Australia
    I'm going to say that it was preplanning on Rowling's part and that it's one of the examples of how a whole lot more planning went into the series than most people seem to think.
     
  5. Kyouzou

    Kyouzou First Year

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2011
    Messages:
    46
    I'm fairly positive that Rowling had the basic plotline planned out going into it, I think there's picture on Pottermore that show a rough sketch of the outline from long before the books were published.

    Also, what's the deal with the Ron bashing?

    I understand how his actions at various points are asinine and yes, bash worthy. However, as a character Ron was by far one of my favorites, simply because he was the most realistic. As far as I know, none of the other teenagers, except perhaps Neville, actually acted like teenagers, Harry and Hermione least of all. I'm not saying that he didn't make mistakes, but he learned from them, and even with the gaffe in DH, I think he redeemed himself, yet one of the more common themes I see virtually everywhere is the consistent bashing and demonizing of what I consider to be a damn good character.
     
  6. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,145
    Location:
    Behind You
    Basically, people are idiots. They think that the characters should be perfect, and never do anything wrong. They then overlook all of that same character's good qualities, and convince themselves that the Weasleys are more evil than Voldemort.

    I agree completely with your position on this, and I may have made a rant or two on the subject in the past.
     
  7. Amoral Philosopher

    Amoral Philosopher Seventh Year

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2010
    Messages:
    215
    Location:
    Ohio
    I personally think any explicit bashing in a story is annoying, no matter who the character or what the fandom is. And by "bashing", I am referring to when an author goes out of their way just to make a character look bad by exaggerating the negative aspects of a character's personality to ridiculous levels compared to how they were in cannon. They completely dismiss any positive traits they have, essentially making them one-dimensional, boring, and internally out-of-character.

    It is perfectly fine for someone to dislike a character from cannon and want to express their dislike in a story, but I would just appreciate it if authors were a little more subtle in how they went about it. They should also make sure that their entire story doesn't completely revolve around the bashing of single character or group. I can't count how many stories there are out there where pretty much the entire story revolves around how awful Ron, the entire Weasley family, or Dumbledore is and how Harry is essentially telling them to fuck off.

    Pretty much anytime you have to blatantly call what you are doing in your story as "bashing", then you fail. Anytime I see mention of any kind of bashing in a story's summary, I pass it right on by.
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2012
  8. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    2,819
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    High Score:
    13,152
    On the topic of Rowling's planning, she knew how DH would end at least as early as when she was writing GoF, when the groundwork was laid for Harry's death and resurrection: the gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes, when he learnt that Voldemort had taken Harry's blood into himself.
     
  9. Constans

    Constans Sixth Year DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2008
    Messages:
    184
    Location:
    Globetrotter
    Adding to Taure's post: She also definitely had a strong idea about where Snape's storyline was going as she told Rickman about it partially before he agreed to take on the role.
     
  10. Jormungandr

    Jormungandr Prisoner

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,961
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Merry ol' England

    And yet the manipulative!Dumbledore (fanon cliche) keeps'a'rollin'.

    "POTTA MONEYZ!"
     
  11. The Black

    The Black First Year

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2012
    Messages:
    27
    Location:
    Brazil
    May I inquire about grammar?

    If so, I always read "My being here" or "Me being here" - or similar phrases - in various fanfics. The question is, what's right? What's the right use of My/Me in situations like that? Or it's all wrong, and a shit load of fanfics have it wrong?
     
  12. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,145
    Location:
    Behind You
    Don't quote me on this but I'm fairly sure they're both acceptable and that my/me is interchangeable.
     
  13. Joe's Nemesis

    Joe's Nemesis High Score: 2,058 ~ Prestige ~

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2012
    Messages:
    1,191
    High Score:
    2,058
    As I read it, "my" is possessive (Genitive case). So normally, it would have to have a second noun following it (my hand, my body, my car). So on first blush, "my being here" is wrong.

    The problem, is that "me" is an accusative, which means it can't be the subject of the sentence. "Me being here is a good idea" violates that rule.

    So, I'd say that if it's used at the beginning of a sentence, both phrases are wrong. If it's used at the end of a sentence, it probably would technically be, "me being here."

    The other issue however, is what is technically acceptable, verses modern convention. Since grammar rules are always changing, Bill Door could very well be right going forward.
     
  14. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2007
    Messages:
    6,216
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Blocksberg, Germany
    I think you can construct a functional sentence that includes "my being here" (being is a noun too). So it depends entirely on what you want to say.


    And regarding Ollivander, it never occurred to me that his disappearance could be anything else than a setup for book 7. The issue of the two wands was too important for it to be just coincidental. But the point is, writing doesn't work like that. You never "luck out", your ideas and plots evolve based on ideas and plots you already have. It's really surprising, sometimes -- you have a whole lot of stuff, and suddenly you get another idea that fits perfectly, even though you never thought of it until just now. But that's not luck, you always have those moments, and if it's not this one thing, it's a different one.

    So what I'm trying to say; it's possible (though not likely, considering she had to know the Snape-Dumbledore plot) that when writing HBP, she didn't know about the Elder Wand or the Hallows. But if she didn't, she would never have thought of it for DH if she hadn't written the prior books the way she did, including Ollivander's disappearance.


    And the idea that you can write a seven book story that isn't incoherent ramblings without any sort of planning is just nonsense in general.
     
  15. Alive and Free

    Alive and Free Groundskeeper

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Location:
    Australia
    @Responders: That's about what I figured. It's nice to know that others agree with me though.
     
  16. AntHil

    AntHil First Year

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2011
    Messages:
    32
    Fudge was no longer the Minister for Magic in HBP. Was that because of an election or because he was kicked out? For that matter, can anyone point me in the direction of a good explanation for how the Minister for Magic is chosen?
     
  17. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,145
    Location:
    Behind You
    In his own words:

    "My dear Prime Minister, you can't honestly think I'm still Minister for Magic after all this? I was sacked three days ago! the whole wizarding community has been screaming for my resignation for a fortnight. I've never known them so united in my whole term of office!"

    So public opinion led to him being sacked.
     
  18. Peace

    Peace High Inquisitor

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    577
    Location:
    My computer desk
    This is probably a stupid question but I'm going to ask it anyway.

    Is there any rule of thumb for how many words you should have down before you post something in the WbA thread?
     
  19. Aekiel

    Aekiel Angle of Mispeling ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2006
    Messages:
    1,511
    Location:
    One of the Shires
    High Score:
    9,373
    It varies from person to person, really, but I go by the rule of three chapters plus more on the way so that you don't just post one chapter and then abandon it. This may or may not have something to do with how I don't have anything posted in WbA at the moment.

    EDIT: Chapters being in the 8000+ words range for me.
     
  20. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,145
    Location:
    Behind You
    There isn't any sort of set rule. Some people will never post anything shorter than 10k words at once, while some others only post in snippets of a few hundred words at a time. I'd suggest posting whenever you feel you have enough to get proper feedback on, so at least the first chapter.
     
Loading...
Not open for further replies.