Not particularly surprised by this, but could you keep an eye out for rules that can be abused like that for the next game?

 

We wait for further input from other players, there may be something we missed out.

Good point...

Therefore, I question with the Blue Truth.

Mods! Duke of Albany is unable to protect his/herself by matching his/her own role to his/her own karma. Is that correct?

Also, I think the Earl of Kent should pass a knife (not poisoned) to a confirmed townie tonight. In this case, probably SoundlyParanoid, so that we can get a "double lynch" Day One, and another "double lynch" Day Two.

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fuck, ninja-ed. Forget the blue question...and the colour sucks anyway, my bad.

 

I just answered that question with "Yes."

And Jon is going to kill you. Only the Demon Mayor has access to the Revelation of Colors D:

 

He used the Red :0
I used the blue, which humans can use :0

 

Wait fuck. Why should the second heir role claim? Do you realize what would happen if the second heir said something like, "I'm the second heir, and I'm regan." Then we're fucked.

Don't roleclaim.

Let me go through the rules again and see what alternative we have.

 

Elaborate...I don't understand.

 

Question Lungs: The Duke has a once a day/night cycle thing where he can kill someone, does that mean it is possible for the Duke of Albany to kill someone during the day?

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Sacrifice, just a sec. I'm forming a plan...hold on.

Lungs: Just confirming, Earl of Kent can hand someone a knife every other night, starting with the second night?

This is a better color.

 

So here we go again.

The colours only work for Jon.

 

No we're not. Duke of Al protects him. The only way we're fucked is (as I pointed out) if soundly IS the Duke of Al.

Was the last thread removed or something? >_> And did you not read it at all?

Duke can use his power at any point during day or night. (As told by Stojil in the last thread who got it from his QT from Lungs/Menace)

God. No.

 

I'm cool with doing just about the opposite of whatever dhulli says.

 

Yeah...looking over the rules, I can't find any pitfalls that I assumed there would be from role claiming this early. Mostly, I didn't want the Duke of Albany occupied with protecting one person night after night. Especially because (a) other more important players might need protection and (b) he needs to start random matching suspicious people with scum roles later in the game.

But here's another reason for the second heir not role claiming: By the second night, the second heir will not have that great of an idea of who to kill. If he picks from random, it is very likely that he'll kill a townie, it might actually be beneficial not to kill someone if he doesn't have good reads. Good scum would leave him alive for the possibility of friendly-fire.

My FINAL reason for second heir not to roleclaim: If everyone agrees that the heir should role claim, and he IS the Duke of Albany, then we're fucked. (I meant DoA not regan before, sorry) If he doesn't say anything despite everyone agreeing, scum will know he's the Duke of Albany and that's why he's not saying anything.

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By the way, who is this Dhulli you speak of? I am a beautiful princess.

 

Let the record show that Laila is in fact Dhulli, manly stalker of women worldwide.

 

Dhulli, you pointing out this stuff is just as bad as it happening. Think about whether you should point something out in public before you actually post it. Your entire last post. Bad for town.

 

I realized that before I posted it but who knows how smart scum actually is? Regardless, even if they are dumb (which they probably are ) and see my post and go "Oh! That's what we should do". It'll make for a more...interesting game. So yeah

"Assume the enemy is really fucking smart."
~Laila: The Art of Mafia​

 

I really doubt scum would attempt a night-kill on the second heir (RC'ed) everyday knowing that Duke of Al might or might not be protecting him. They will of course look for other targets.

If the Duke is reasonably sure that the second heir will not be targeted and he has a better use of his powers for that day-night cycle, he should consider taking the risk.

Of course, "a better use of his powers" will be hard to come by. He will need to match someone to his role, which is insanely hard in earlier stages of the game, and in later stages he needs to be sure of the karma too, which would have undoubtedly changed.

So, I don't really think Duke's hands will be tied up too much. Without this he will just spend his powers on guessing, which combined with the fact that there are not just 2 but 3 variables will be insanely hard. In fact, this plan is probably the best use of Duke of Al as far as I see.

What is this... I don't even...

First, soundly is rational enough player so I am not worried about stupid kills.

Secondly,

What the fuck does this have to do with him role-claiming?

We already know he is the second heir. His role-claiming has no effect whatsoever on whether he uses his kills correctly or not.

You can not really stop that right now. If he refuses to RC the scum will immediately think he is Duke of Al. Which, in hindsight, was a mistake of mine. I shouldn't have raised that point at all.

Also, for the record, since it can't hurt us, I was the Duke of Al in the last game. I spent like half an hour on my first post to make sure I did not say "me" instead of "Duke of Al". >_>

I still don't know why you got a sex change. But, whatever.

 

Castiel. The Duke of Albany can only protect him if he knows Para's role.

 

We CAN stop this. We can agree that the heir should not role claim EVEN if he isn't the Duke of Albany. By the time he reads this, he will know not to role claim.

You should have raised the point, see me previous post (the text in magenta) for why.

Aek answered your big role claim question btw.

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You seem awfully tetchy Castiel. Hmm...what could the reason be...

 

There is a 1/13 chance is he the Duke. Which isn't enough to scrap a perfectly good plan.

I raised the point primarily to try and figure out a solution, if that were the case. Unfortunately, there is no solution if that is the case. But like I said, just that isn't enough to scrap this plan. I am reasonable sure that soundly is not DoA. I might be wrong, but I am willing to take that risk.

Yes, he did. And because of the 3 thumbs he got, I RC'ed. I don't see any reason not to.

The fact that you are trying to stop this plan (and using #strikerlogic to accomplish it in one case) isn't painting you in a good light. But I learned my lesson from DE3 so I won't go 'hurr durr dhulli scum'

Not yet anyway.

And b4 I get ninja'ed

Only once. When you acted stupid. It was justified.

*The reason is that when you act stupid it makes the job of the town harder. It has to consider whether its a scum-tell or genuine stupidity, which allows the other scum to pass unnoticed.

Don't act stupid.

 

Laila trying to stop the plan does seem really suspicious to me. I'm only not lynch voting him because he's known for being a dumbfuck.

 

Deadline: Laila

Not stopping me this game.

I'm sure Para will know what to do if he's the Duke of Albany. Not like he's got much choice after all this anyway.

As it is I'm fine with the plan going ahead, and dhulli's posts look suspiciously like rolefishing to me so I'm going to keep an eye on him.