First part of my opinion on Aekiel's plan. Improve on it if you see something. More incoming:

Aekiel: there are huge problems with the worst case scenario (your plan hinges a bit too much on the Bastard and Goneril/Regan being alive or the Revival mechanic to be a safe one), but it’s doable.

17 players alive: 13 town – 4 scum

Day1:
1) The Bastard roleclaims (Heir-Para doesn’t).
2) The DoA protects him.
3) We don’t lynch.

Night 1:
1) Someone (possibly but maybe not Para) is night killed.

16 players alive – 1 dead (unknown) – 3 Townfirmed (Bastard, Para and Nemrut)

Day 2
1) The DoA protects the Bastard.
2) We don’t lynch.

Night 2
1) There’s only the night 1 scum-target in Purgatory and he can easily revive himself (watch out for wine and scum doing that).
2) Someone dies
3) Someone else dies if the King of France decides to use his tokens.

If the two dead players are Regan and Goneril, the plan falls apart (I’m assuming the Revival mechanic acts at the end of night and whoever comes back to life re-enters the game the following day – in their case, it would be day 4, too late)

Anything else should work.

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Scratch that. I just realized something as I went over the plan, but I think it's still useful to read the one above. Anyway, here’s the new improved version, part 1:

17 players alive: 13 town – 4 scum

Day1
1) The Bastard roleclaims (Heir-Para doesn’t).
2) The DoA protects him.
3) We don’t lynch.

Night 1
1) Someone (possibly Para, but maybe not) is night killed.

16 players alive – 1 dead (unknown) – 3 Townfirmed (Bastard, Para and Nemrut)

Day 2
1) The DoA protects the Bastard.
2) Gloucester stabs his eyes out (only if the power DOESN’T confirm that Goneril is alive or the only dead player, which would lead to her banishment - did you ask Lungs how this works? I’m doing it, anyway).
3) The Herald uses his Trumpeter at the Gates (if he can – if he has to wait three days, he obviously doesn’t) and we know if the first night kill was scum.
4) The Tenant claims and we lynch him. Everyone has night protection.

Night 2
1) There’s only the night 1 scum-target in Purgatory and he can easily revive himself (watch out for wine and scum doing that).
2) No one dies.

17 players alive: 13 town – 4 scum – 5 (or 3 or 4) Townfirmed (Bastard, Para and Nemrut + Herald and Gloucester)

Day 3: incoming

Problem so far:
- the Tenant dying on night 1.
- something I can't say at the moment.

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Forgot the Tenant in the last count of townfirmed players.

 

I think you might have the game winner right there Aekiel. As an addendum, the Herald can (should) wait for Day 3 to reveal as well. That'll bring the townfirmed up by 1 as well as the obvious benefits of how many scum are alive.

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Or, you know, Stojil could revamp and improve.

 

I need either Mod Lungs or Mod Menace to answer the questions I stated before I can add on anything.

 

That's the joy of posting these things. I don't have to rely solely on my own judgement.

 

Well, if we win this easily, we can always blame lungs for an over powered town. heh.

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Anything that gets me off the hook is a good plan in my humble opinion.

 

Okay, So Stojil's version gives us five players townfirmed going into day 3. After night three, using Aekiel's plan, we should be able to add Regan, Goneril, the Legitimate Son and the Dirty Steward to that number. Bringing us up to nine out of seventeen townfirmed.

To that we can then add the gentleman, who can claim on day four to townfirm themselves. Leaving ten of seventeen townfirmed. We can then just go through the remaining players in order of who seems most likely to be scum.

I like it.

and since we aren't lynching today: Rescind Deadline Lynch Vote: Dhulli/Laila.

 

Working together in mafia? What is this?

Unless the Tenant gets hit tonight I think we could call this by as early as Night 4.

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*Day 4 sorry.

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Hmmm. Well maybe not Call It but you get the idea aha.

 

Yes, Cornwall can pick dead people.

I answered your other question at some point already.

 

Lungs, when you can, there are a few questions in my QT too.

 

Answered them, stojil

 

I was the Doctor in previous setup and he works pretty much as already described by others.

Assuming that every player gets updated on their karma status, that is one more role that can get town-confirmed. He just has to say that he cleansed player(s) X and then that player confirms. Only question is- do you get updated that you were cleansed in case if you already had good karma.

 

I've just went through a combination of Aekiel and Stojil's plans on paper (we...were supposed to combine them, right?)

It looks solid - poking and prodding didn't turn up many holes in it. As far as I can tell, the endgame looks really good. And like Bill said, up to 9 townfirmed, minimum 7 (excluding Gentleman), assuming the Tenant isn't hit tonight.

If Tenant dies N1, then I'm thinking this plan could crash by Day 3. Correct me if I'm wrong...extremely sleepy here. I won't say it's unlikely to, maybe at 50-50, but possible nonetheless. In which case Herald would be a good piece to have to gauge the current standing and to formulate a new plan.

And that said, it's a 1/12 chance of Tenant dying. Not particularly high on the probability list.

 

I asked that in my QT, and the answer is that should the Gloucester stabs his eyes out, and the Goneril is dead, it will be revealed to everyone that Goneril is not alive, and of course we have an exposed Gloucester.

 

Aekiel's plan doesn't really crash unless the Bastard dies, and with DoA protecting him, there are very low chances of that happening. It would take a huge hit, instead, if scum luckily killed both Goneril and Regan on night 2, after they'd already hit the Tenant on night 1. Odds aren't exactly in their favour. The plan is good.

Yes, Lungs got back to me. Speaking of which, there's one last question in my QT, when you can.

Final part of the plan incoming, but it's mostly what Aekiel has already said.

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The last player count after night 2 was wrong. It should have been:

16 players alive: 12 town – 4 scum – 1 dead (Tenant) – 4 (or 2 or 3 if we're unlucky) Townfirmed players (Bastard, Tenant, Para and Nemrut + Herald - I forgot to ask Lungs that question, someone do it, please - and not Gloucester since he has to keep his role to himself).

There could be overlapping between Para/Nemrut and the roleclaiming players.

And now:

Day 3:
1) The DoA protects the Bastard.
2) We don’t lynch.
3) The Tenant is likely banished by Cordelia’s one-shot alive banishment (now or in the night).

Night 3:
1) The letters are exchanged with the info and the code in them. The Bastard replies to Regan. The two of them, plus the Legitimate son, know each other and Goneril. The Dirty Steward knows all of them. Goneril doesn’t know shit. In the reply letter to Regan, the Bastard gives a code phrase to the Dirty Steward so he can identify himself to all of them (still not Goneril).
2) The Tenant is likely banished by Cordelia’s one-shot alive banishment (now or during the previous day).
3) Goneril dies.
4) Someone dies to the scum night-kill.
5) Someone else dies if the King of France decides to use his token kill.
6) Regan kills two players which aren’t townfirmed to her (Bastard, Legitimate son) nor townfirmed to the public eye (Para, Nemrut + possibly Herald - someone should ask that question, seriously, even though the answer seems obvious).
7) Earl of Kent gives a public-daykill knife to the Bastard.

Worst case scenario:

11 players alive. 7 town – 4 scum (with Regan killing two townplayers – some dead townroles make the scenario worse than others, obviously).

In most (and I mean almost everyone of them), mass roleclaiming would win us the game, since lots of roles are easily and immediately provable, but it would depend on which ones are the one alive. Either way, we can decide on how to proceed from there when we get there.

Thoughts, everyone?

 

Is a no lynch realistic? Takes only one scum to say "oops, I forgot to rescind" or actively come out and vote for someone and that person would be lynched, simply because one is a majority. Or does it not work that way?

 

No, that would be a pluralism vote. A majority vote is when more than half of the players have to vote for a person.

 

Going to sleep now, and before I do so,Rescind Deadline Lynch Vote.

This is the first time I've seen no-lynch become a +ve town move >_>

 

Rescind Deadline Lynch Vote

I need a fresh mind to go over the plan but for now it seems solid.

 

This plan seems to make sense. It seems it would give us a list of townfirmed players. If this is the case I would suggest that the Earl of Kent skip his action the first time until people are townfirmed.

 

Yes, town shouldn't kill anyone (in any way) that isn't the Tenant until day 4.