I have a feeling that Sasuke is going to interfere, Naruto and B get there asses kicked and then dam dam Sasuke comes to the rescue.

 

I'm starting to think that Nagato may not have gotten Madara's eyes after all. Makes me wonder if Madara bred Nagato so that he'd develop the Rinnegan.

 

When the hell did this happen?

I'm pretty sure that what I was reading indicated that B was gonna carry on for his brother, having surpassed him and everything.

At this point I'm just curious as to what Naruto is up to and how he's going to face off against Madara.

 

Well, Darui seems like a better choice, but then again Naruto doesn't look like a Hokage material either aside his power. Still, I'm not sure B is even interested in becoming the leader of his village.

 

Well, nothing too concrete, but at one point A was telling Darui that he thought of him as his right hand, so it doesn't really matter that Sasuke forced him to cut off his own arm (sounds like bullshit, but eh, whatever helps him sleep at night, I guess).

B is definitely strong enough to be Raikage, but I really don't think it's something he would want. I think B would be genuinely happy to spend the rest of his days rapping, training, and fighting alongside the Hachibi. Kage work probably wouldn't interest him much.

 

Best hope now is that Madara kills Naruto and takes over the world. Naruto couldn't even get past A, Madara destroyed A and 4 other Kages at the same time, though he conveniently left them alive so Tsunade can sacrifice herself.

The only way I can see Naruto winning is the only way he's won all his big fights, 'Talk no jutsu'.

No one's mentioned this yet, but wtf fuck is Obito still doing alive (not possessed or Edo'd etc) after literally half his body was crushed. If it was actually Obito that fought The Fourth, then No, just No.

 

His body has been heavily modified by Zetsu, or at least that's what it looks like. No normal body can take a hit from Rasengan and survive, let alone lose an arm and grow it back in perfect health. So it actually could have been Obito who fought Minato. In fact, I'm almost certain it was Obito.

 

My impression is that Obito is Edo Tensei'd himself, which would go towards explaining why a genin had enough chakra to use the chakra-sink techniques of the Mangekyou relentlessly less than a year after his death. Of course, then comes into the question of whether the resurrected dead can be changed (with the implanted Rinnegan) or grow (died in his early teens, appears fully grown). Maybe a partial ET?

I think that any speculation towards the plot is pointless at this point. Kishimoto has shown that he ignores logic and chooses the most idiotic way to continue a story.

 

Well, he DID outfit the ET jinchuurikis with sharingan and rinnegan eyes. Presumably AFTER he ressed them.

And the Zetsu idea does seem more plausible to me than him being an ET zombie. At least he doesn´t show any of their visual characteristics.

Maybe Zetsu / reparing Obito was Madaras last act in which he used up all of his strength. He did look pretty decrepit in that last panel after all.

 

Thats not a very good example. In that particular encounter, Naruto did not want to hurt A, and he had yet to come to agreement with Kurama and get BM, let alone get the chakra of the other bijuu.

In a real struggle, the current BM!Naruto would destroy A just as easily as Madara did. I do agree however that Madara is more powerfull than Naruto at this point, but there are several ways this could be solved. Maybe all that support thats been running towards Naruto for who knows how long now will finally arrive to assist him. Maybe Kakashi or Bee or Gai will sacrifice themselves to hurt Madara. Maybe something will go wrong with Juubis resurrection and Obito/&Madara will lose control of it afterall. Or somesuch.

Yeah, it is Obito, and it was Obito that fought Minato. Its stupid, but thats just how it is. I dunno, I guess its possible that there is some bizarre stuff going on that we havent seen yet. For example, Obito knows way too much about things that he should not really know (Why would Madara have taught him about the two sons of the Sot6P for example). So there may yet be a chance that Madara has somehow copied/transferred a part of his consciousness into Obito or that Zetsu has done that and Obito is actually somekind of Obito/else-hybrid or something. The flashback explaining what happened to Obito just started at the end of the last chapter, so we will just have to be patient.

This seems unlikely. When an Edo is damaged, they instantly regenerate that damage. For example, when edo!Madara summoned that huge meteor, his body was utterly destroyed but as an ET he just reformed. This is not the case with Obito, where we have seen several cases where Obito takes damage and does not (instantly) heal. More likely is that Madara replaced the parts of Obito that were damaged beyond repair with Zetsu-material.

As for how Obito could have spammed his MS for so long without going blind, we don't know. One theory is that maybe Obito has Hashiramas super-chakra/dna and that has prevented his eye from going blind. We don't know.

 

Did he? Those were Tobi's paths. I think their eyes were just Tobi's eyes being channeled. Just like how everything of Nagato's had the Rinnegan.

 

I don´t think so. He also gave them a single sharingan after all. So why only implant the one.

I think we don´t know too much about the rinnegan yet. i don´t know if Tobi has even done anything with the one he has at the moment yet. and neither did his ET jcrks.

I think it is at least strongly implied that he only gained the rinnegan back? AFTER the death of konan. at least that´s when he switched to his 2 eye hole mask.

Of course we will most likely find out more in the next chapter but it doesn´t seem to me as if he has always had it at least.

 

Just a random, somewhat off-topic question, but does anyone know at which approximate point in the timeline Nagato finally killed Hanzou?

I need to know because of a scene I want to write in a fan fic of mine.

 

I don't think its been confirmed.

However we did see that Nagato uses his 6 paths of Pain to do it, which implies that some time must have passed between the betrayal by Hanzo&Danzo and this. I mean at the time Hanzo betrayed Nagato&co, Nagato apparently had not yet fully learned to use his unique rinnegan powers. If he had, he could have saved Konan by just using BT to pull her to safety. Or used Rinne Tensei to revive Yahiko for that matter.

But when he kills Hanzo, Nagato appears to have mastered his unique rinnegan powers to the point that he is totally comfortable in sending his remote controlled bodies to attack Hanzo, and apparently has no trouble in easily dispatching him.

So, long enough to fully master all the powers of the rinnegan, and long enough to find 6 compatible bodies to serve as paths, and long enough to become skilled enough in using these remotely controlled bodies to attack Hanzo who was apparently very skiled (even if he let himself grow weak at the end).

A couple of years maybe?

 

Hrm, thanks. Now that I think about it, considering that Nagato turned Amegakure into a black spot on pretty much everyone's radar, I don't think it could have been too long before the beginning of the Naruto manga that he took over. Keeping the whole place under that much secrecy surely wouldn't work for more than a few years in a world crammed full of overly curious shinobi.

So for the purposes of my fic, I'm going to set Nagato's takeover at around the same time Naruto started at the Academy in canon. But please, let me know if that would contradict anything in the canon timeline that I might have forgotten.

 

There is no continuity in the manga. So everything you will come up with is bound to be more sensible than canon.

Viel Glück.

 

Question: I'm guessing we're going to see Obito returned to life shortly after he 'died'. If he's been alive the whole time, why didn't HE save Rin?

 

It is likely Rin died before Obito recovered from the rock slide. Hell, she might have died before he even woke up.

 

Its worth noting that Nagato was apparently a powerfull sensor (in canon, he was the one that detected Kabutos location and told Itachi) and could apparently also amplify his abilities through the constant rain in Amegakure. I seem to recall that he discovered Jiraiyas presence in the city near instantly for example.

So if he actually wanted to, he could probably have maintained secrecy relatively easily for as long as he wanted to. I mean he would have instantly known if any invader arrived, no matter how sneaky they were, and with 6 bodies to send around he could have hunted said invader quickly enough. And if Jiraiya was dispatched with (relative) ease, there are few that could have escaped with their lives.

So basically, if Nagato wanted to, he could have kept Amegakure in total lockdown with any foreigner discovered and killed with brutal efficiency for years and years. Not sure how smart that would be though (economy would suffer and so on).

Seems fine to me.

 

That would have it's own problems, though. People would notice someone they know was headed in that area disappearing, and with enough buildup someone would realize that everyone who goes near Amegakure disappears. That would actually probably speed up the realization. You'd think that keeping a regime change under wraps would require something a little more subtle.