Yeah, Gragas has some of the best sustain for an ap mid; his w regens his mana, and every spell he casts regen his health. He's also great against champs with skill shots, seeing as you can dodge with his e.

 

I'd say Ahri is the strongest mid by far in pub games. I don't think there is any possible contender. She has fizz/kass level mobility without the need to be in melee range, hard cc, sustained damage (which is partially true damage), absurd ganks, absurd dueling strength, and strong farming potential.

 

Akali still wrecks AP Eve... just sayin'.

Anyway... gogo Tank Veigar, and be another believer!:awesome

Also, you say you can't play girl champions, but are considering Ezreal?

 

Akali wins vs retard Eves, which admittedly happen to be majority.

AP Eve 3-shots Akali.

 

Ez is a guy. Dude I play Taric. Srsly.

Gragas so fun.

 

...and the joke goes "woooosh!"

Also, Evan Tide, Akali 2-3 shots Eve too, so... Of course, early-mid-game Akali might have a bit more trouble, but even then, it's relative. Gotta love that 70% spell vamp, even cut in half by Ignite it's amazing.

That being said, an Oracle's/Pink Ward will help Evelynn more against Akali, than the other way around.

 

LOL.

She's very mobile when her ult is up. But only while it's up and only for the period of time she's using it.

Soo... no.

Skillshot hard CC block able by minions and other champions.

As a note, it is reduced by tenacity, unlike displacement-cc like knockups/knockbacks/pulls.

I dunno, she's pretty bursty until lategame when her CDs are lower.

True, true.

What you fail to mention, though, is that she got the shit nerfed out of her awhile ago. And isn't what she once was, by far.

Right now the strongest AP mid for stomping is probably Zyra. It used to be Cassiopeia, but Cass just doesn't stand up to Zyra's AOE damage/knockup and spammable snare and slows.

Plus, yanno, dat passive. Yeouch!

 

You saw how fast I melted Ryze despite his Mres and Spell Vamp.

 

Has anyone else been thinking of trying to make a 3v3 or 5v5 team to get a higher elo for the end of season for the rewards? If people's schedules worked out it might be easier than trying to climb individually, and the elo requirement is much lower for teams.

 

I'd say don't bother with 3s this 'late' in the season as it's a completely different game from 5s and you won't have time to learn it. On the other hand, it may be months before s2 actually ends. S1 dragged on 2 months after they said it would end iirc.

Also, walking, you think zyra is a better pub mage than ahri? Lol.

 

As of the Latest Tier Lists, Zyra is the Number One pubstomper.

Sure, she got hotfixed, but that didn't change the fact that her damage is good to incredible at all stages of the game, she still has better zoning, fantastic ganks, longer range, built in short-term wards, her CC is more reliable, and 'Dat Passive, man. 'Dat Passive OP.

Ahri is definitely Tier 1, but Zyra's got her beat by a fair amount.

Ahri's ganks may be better in the right situations at the right times, but Zyra's Ganks are easier to pull off in a broader range of scenarios and harder to escape, since her CC can't be blocked by keeping a minion (or a tank/support/ally with higher health) between you and her, and much of her burst negated by any tank or support simply by getting closer to her than her target.

Also, her teamfight utility/damage is more reliable. She's better at taking both Dragon and Baron than Ahri is, better at poking than Ahri is (range) and has more forms of CC.

Zyra is better a better pub mage, hell, she's a better mage in general, assuming you're not picking specifically for mobility.

 

July 30th tier list. I'm totally gonna believe that since it's from, I don't know, pre-hotfix release zyra?

 

It's the last one posted. You find a more recent one by a broadly respected source and I'll lay down money before seeing it that Zyra is still higher than Ahri.

 

Right. The part where you believe this tier list applies to anything outside plat ranks makes it funnier.

You know why there aren't other tier lists? Because no one gives a damn about them.

Also, pubstomp? LolKing.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=na&league=platinum&type=champion-winrate&range=monthly

Plat pubstomps are Shaco, Ez, Eve, TF.

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=normal&type=champion-winrate&range=monthly

Norms are Amumu, Taric, Sona, Blitz

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&league=bronze&type=champion-winrate&range=monthly

Bronze and Silver, Amumu, Zyra, Ez, Taric/Skarner.

 

Err, no, Evan, this is you thinking that your opinion > Everyone else's opinion again. Which is one reason I removed you from my ingame buddy list and refuse to play with you now. Lots of people care about tier lists, lots of people pay attention to them.

Yes, LoLKing (which has gained lots of popularity in the last few months) is starting to make them somewhat obsolete, but that doesn't change the fact that the one I linked supports my opinion

(and, ironically, so does yours. The argument was never that Zyra was THE BEST pub stomper, just that she was better than Ahri as far as mages go, Ahri isn't even on that page.)

However, because I enjoy the war of words..

Eve is going to be nerfed, everyone knows it, DFG is probably going to see a nerf as well (since riot hates super-popular items and stagnant builds.) When it happens I promise you that Eve is going to take a huge drop in standings, as she is right now she's OP. Dan Dinh spams her in soloqueue because she's the most reliable way to win, as far as he's concerned. I watched him do it last night, and even after major mistakes that would have thrown (almost) any other champion far behind, he was still able to be a huge impact on the game.

When that happens, Zyra will be at the top again.

 

I'm totally gonna believe it cause it's a tierlist.

Seriously I thought they stopped doing that last year.

Zyra is a better teamfight mage, but I'd say for sure that her ganks are -never- better than ahri's unless you are ganking a high hp target with no escape at all, in which case who cares?
At pretty much any point in the lane phase, Ahri's ult+W is enough to do 50% of the lower level support/ad carry lane and they both autotarget. Who the hell even uses their charm when they can literally hit R-W-R-R and get the kill.

Her ult is also one of the most annoying things to deal with in mid lane 1v1.
I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're entitled to your opinion, but at least base it on something other than a tier list, ffs.

 

The best pubstomp is Shaco, hands down. The biggest reason is not because he is totally awesome and is somehow more op than any other champ. It is because people do not ward. Straight up, the easiest way to kill a Shaco is to see it before it gets to you and have your cc ready for it. To put it simply, Shaco wins because people are stupid.

 

When I do pub 3's is isn't so different. It's basically like dominion where laning matters, and whoever has the most CC/bruisers wins.

 

I did base it on something other than tier lists, I just used that as supporting evidence, being that a widely respected and skilled pro level player agrees.

Secondarily, The same can be said for Zyra's WWQR combo. With it's knockup, large frontloaded damage over a shorter period of time, and the CC it brings to the table that Ahri's doesn't...

As I said, Ahri's ganks are better in certain situations at certain times. But in most cases Zyra's AOE-nuke-knockup-plant enhancer Ult is better to pull off in most cases. Especially considering that she has much better Zoning than Ahri has. Place the plants and ult in the path of retreat for your enemy and they have nowhere to go that won't mean lots of damage.

Run back to the turret? You're going to blow flash and a dash to get out of range of the ult before it knocks you up. If either of those are down you've just committed yourself to lots of pain from her Plants and time for enemies to catch up and lock you down.

Run to the side? As Zyra, you should be standing in that path, waiting for them to go there, with your snare ready. That snare is incredible, multi-target non-reduced line aoe? Nice.

Run towards your lane opponent? Why, thank you for not trying to escape when you're outnumbered, here, let me use my sustained damage output to all but guarantee you die.

Ahri's ult allows her to be incredibly sticky and very mobile. It also allows her great escapes. But it doesn't make her invincible. And much of her burst is centered around it. Wait till it's off CD and she is very, very gankable. Wait till Zyra's ult is off CD and she still has a snare you can't block and a slow.

Whereas Ahri only has her charm.

 

I really just don't feel like getting into this again, but I think you are wrong and that your examples are unrealistic.

Agree to disagree. My advice to anyone looking for the skin this season is to play Ahri as a mid because a mage-assassin can solo-carry harder than a mobility-less mage.