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Doctor Who

Discussion in 'Movies, Music and TV shows' started by Heleor, Apr 12, 2009.

  1. Lutris

    Lutris Jarl Dovahkiin DLP Supporter

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    You, my friend, are taking these rants entirely too personally. I for one find them very fun to read, partly due to having been through a Mag 7 earthquake with the guy, but mostly because what he's saying makes sense and is actually pretty fucking amusing.

    I'm still enjoying my shitty sandcastle just fine, thank you very much. If you ask me, it's you who has a problem with ignoring things that upset you particularly since they're only words on a screen. Series 6 was a decent enough ride, and Series 7 so far for me is nearly flawless. Series 5 was less cohesive, but hey. Can't be perfect.

    Anyway, rant incoming. It's quite spastic, only kind of relevant, and written in one stream-of-consciousness sitting so skip it if you like.

    I quite liked Series 1, when I first watched it, despite the Deus Ex Machina ending. I only came into Who some time after Series 3, before marathoning the entire thing, and have only (relatively) recently started catching up on the Classic Who episodes. The old ones have their flaws, sure - I won't get started on a visuals debate, especially since the staff were on budget and quite frankly were quite ingenious with what they did have - but the point is, I'm not a nostalgia-filled fanboy like Inq openly admits to being.

    But you have to admit that there was an overstated emphasis on making normal people extraordinary - and that's fine, in and of itself. It was fun for a while. It becomes a problem though, when RTD had to consistently contrive situations just to perpetuate this stance, which was why when Martha was introduced I was ecstatic to see a character who was normal but also interesting without RTD having to pull Deus Ex Machinas to have her do extraordinary things. For a while, anyway. It seemed to me, watching those episodes, that RTD cared less about the validity of his plots and more about endless empowerment rants and using the medium as his personal soapbox.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely grateful of the guy for standing up for the so-called homosexual agenda, for taking a stand for female empowerment and the emphasis of the strength of the common man - most of all, I'm grateful for him having brought back Doctor Who to TV. The thing I have issue with, in his writing, was that he tended to shit on crucial plot development, proper drama, and believable continuity and worldbuilding in favor of melodramatic romance, the praising of mediocrity, and soapboxing his ideology while the drama suffered from Deus Ex Machina after Deus Ex Machina. Priorities, man. In my opinion? If we're going to use an episodic format to tell stories and hint thinly at an overarching plot outside the series pilots and finales, well, each episode had better be damned significant since we're using up valuable episodes out of a short 13 episode season.

    This doesn't mean that I hold Moffat's writing, or Classic Who writing as gospel though - Classic episodes could drag on and on to accomplish over ten 40-minute chunks what could have been resolved in three or four, and while Moffat has a far better grasp of dramatic television writing than RTD, he also has this horrible habit of making too many plot-relevant things happen off-screen - and what you should take away from this stream-of-consciousness rant-esque TL;DR is that RTD's writing clearly had issues, and that the fact that Doctor Who is technically a children's program isn't an excuse for it, especially in a franchise that is as prominent as Who is.

    I like my TV drama to have quality, thank you very much, and so far, Series 7 has been fucking fantastic for me. Compared to earlier New Who series? Spectacular. The increased budget doesn't hurt either, but hey. The writing's just been much, much better so far.
     
  2. Celestin

    Celestin Dimensional Trunk

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    Personally I enjoy these reviews, even if I don't agree with some points in them. They are simply very amusing to read. I also noticed that the best episodes in Inquisition's opinion are these written by Moffat, but that probably changed after he became the showrunner.
     
  3. NTD

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    I've been told by multiple people that Tennant's Time Lord clone/daughter is returning in the Christmas special. Unfortunately I have yet to see any source of this information. She WAS good eye candy.
     
  4. Scrib

    Scrib The Chosen One

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    I enjoy the rants, they give me a chance to bash RTD (Keep in mind, I liked parts of season 4 it's just fun) and they're not really that serious imo. It's just a fun excuse to blow off some steam about DW. If you don't like them don't read. I don't see the issue.

    Inq lives in Canada. You live in Japan. What?
     
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  5. D-Sloopo

    D-Sloopo Second Year

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    I think that's why I love Rory so much. He's almost the exact opposite of this. He starts out normal, something extraordinary happens to him, but even after becoming a roman centurion he's still just this normal bloke you'd meet out on the street.
     
  6. Inquisition

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    No. Because I had already made a sand castle in the exact same spot, and left it alone, and the waves came by and did a small amount of damage, but it was still pretty cool.

    And it looks terrible because there are bits of old sand castle and bits of new sand castle merged into one big mess. It looks terrible. And if I squish it again, maybe you'll finally rebuild it right properly and it'll be something we both enjoy.

    I was going to wait for Series 7 to make my payoff pitch, because Ben Browder said it best.
     
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  7. Lutris

    Lutris Jarl Dovahkiin DLP Supporter

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    He visited Tokyo in early March 2011. I showed him around. Halfway through his vacation, wham. Quake.
     
  8. KrzaQ

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    Whoa, there. I simply skipped his rants like several paragraphs of Diagon Alley shopping in a particularly bad fanfic.
     
  9. Inquisition

    Inquisition Canadian Ambassador to Japan DLP Supporter

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    You also desire to engage in deviant sexual acts with My Little Pony characters. What's your point.
     
  10. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    I do not. I don't treat every show I watch as porn; I don't want to fuck House, ponies, Michael Westen, or pretty much any character from the series I watch.

    My point was: you should've included tl;dr version of your posts.
     
  11. Necrule Paen

    Necrule Paen DLP Elite DLP Supporter

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    That shouldn't be too hard. Pick one out of the following three.

    NuWho sucks, this shit is weak, or it is apocalyptic diarrhea.
     
  12. Joe

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    Hey! Whoa, man, whoa.

    Don't act like you still don't jack off to the first five chapters or Power of Time. We all do, right, men?

    OT: Latest ep needed more Farscape.
     
  13. KHAAAAAAAN!!

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    God do I miss Farscape. I would have given anything for Ben Browder to have screamed "WHERE'S MY DAMN ICE CREAM?!!" during the episode.
     
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  14. Joe

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    Celestin Dimensional Trunk

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    Not a bad episode. The cubes were more of the addition to the story showing what the Doctor means in normal life of Ponds than a main point of the episode, but I liked it. Interesting enough it's been ten years since their first adventure. Does that makes then the longest companions of the Doctor?

    Also, Rory's dad, Brian, continues to be awesome. Ponds may be leaving, but I want to see him return somewhere in the future.
     
  16. KrzaQ

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    The episode was pretty good, but what got me all excited was the preview of the next one. Can't wait already!
     
  17. Shinysavage

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    I could almost have believed that Mark Gatiss wrote it; excellent concept, weak ending. Lots of good bits though, if mostly in the first half. Brian Williams was awesome again though. I'd rather have him in the TARDIS than Oswin at this stage.

    Next week looks suitably creepy and awesome though.
     
  18. BsuperB

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    I dunno, I thought this episode was rather disappointing, probably because I just couldn't get away from several things that made the episode rather... senseless.

    People take the cubes into their houses and lives... Why? Something weird in the streets all over the world? Sure, let's just pick them up and hang onto them... Then there's all the people who died, suddenly waking up as healthy as can be after technically being dead for however long it was. Either way, more than long enough to cause severe brain damage due to oxygen starvation.

    Like I said, it's probably just me being a dick and taking all the obvious things way out of proportion but at least the general plot behind it (human extinction) made sense, somewhat.

    Next week looks far better simply because the Angel's are back, although having to put up with 45 minutes of River again isn't promising. Speaking of the Angels, I rewatched 'Blink' the other day and I'm kind of curious about how suddenly they were just Weeping Angel statues, and now suddenly they're basically any kind of statue on the planet? Is that the point and why they're suddenly referred to as just Angels now, or did I miss something with their whole origin story?
     
  19. Celestin

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    Actually, it was the ending of Blink that suggested that the Angels don't need to look like the angels. I'm talking about the last scene showing various statues around us.
     
  20. BsuperB

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    Yeah, I thought that might be it. I was sat there thinking that it was odd that they were just Angels, and then it started showing random statues from around the world which kind of threw me off as they've only ever been Weeping Angels, even when they were decaying.
     
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