Would he really need to kill everyone who heads in the direction? I'd think that he could just have the village's official position be to turn people away at the borders. He should only need to eliminate those who try to infiltrate.

 

So guys quick question. What do you think of Sasuke's character..um..whats the right word to use, character progression? You know he's the kid that had his whole clan slaughtered in a single night by a brother he loved and looked up to, who also had him relive the entire slaughter over and over again. Then even his goal of finding and killing and his brother is less about his hate and more about doing what his brother told him to do."To grow up hating him, and use that as strength to find and avenge his people."

So we can only assume that the kid did his absolute best to train himself while using his hate to maintain a grasp of his sanity. Personally I see his apparent showing off as a way to reassure himself that he is getting stronger and the fact that he is better than everyone else proves it.

Then the one kid in his perspective who was always dead last starts surpassing him, even if they were friends, it casts doubt in his mind, shows him how insignificant his efforts were if the dead last could so easily surpass him.

From there it was his descent into darkness. As a villain backstory is it really that bad?

 

I think it's alright as a villain backstory. The problem is that the Manga doesn't seem to think Sasuke is a villain.

 

This. Kishimoto is trying incredibly hard to make Sasuke a Type 4 antihero, while at best he's actually a Type 5, if not an outright villain.

 

By what logic does the manga think he is not a villian? Because he is sympathetic? He has been marked as a missing nin, attacked the kage summit, blah blah etc. I'm not sure how much more villainous you can get.

 

I don´t think he has killed anyone of importance yet. In manga logic that is basically a clean slate.

And even if he had killed, say, Sakura or Kakashi i´m pretty sure they would still redeem him if they wanted. Which I am pretty sure they will regardless.

Don´t try to logic Naruto. Better men have failed.

 

Nagato basically slaughtered many thousands of innocents and planned to create a WMD that would kill hundreds of thousands if not millions, and just because Naruto convinced him to change and bring back the couple hundred people he had murdered that particular day, he was basically forgiven and portraid as a decent and good guy in his zombie incarnation.

So far Sasuke has just murdered some few nameless Samurai trying to protect their lands from his unprovoked invasion (and who cares about them eh? We don't even know their names), that Shinobi that was tracking Sasuke after the kidnapping of the tentacle-Bee (Jay I think he was called, progress) and Danzo (who probably deserved it). As a side note, why did no one call Bee on the fact that people died trying to save him, while he was totally safe.

And speaking of that, Sasuke did try to kidnap Bee, who had literally nothing to do with Sasuke, despite knowing that handing Bee over to the Akatsuki would kill him. Though Sasuke failed miserably so that was just attempted murder. Oh, and he did try to kill the kages at the summit so more attempted murder there.

I guess you could also say that he was partially responsible for the many hundreds of people who were murdered and horrifically experimented on by Orochimaru, by working with the man and supporting his cause for three years, but again we never saw any that so who cares eh? Oh right, Sasuke did try to kill Karin too, not that she was all that pure, being another torturer for Orochimaru. He did try to kill Sakura too, but to be fair she started it (and was just too weak to finish the job), giving him the initiative.

Sure, he has SAID he intends to slaughter everyone in Konoha (even the little babies), for the crime of being happy while he is not, but we all know thats not going to actually happen. And no doubt he will get the credit for ending Edo Tensei which will wash away the deaths of the nameless fodders.

Bah.

 

Next chapter up.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c602/

 

Heh, I knew that Sharingan wasn't Madara's, since he had to have given Nagato his Rinnegan already.

By 'ancestor' does Obito mean he's a direct descendant of Madara's or more loosely related? I suspect Nagato might also be related to Madara - perhaps his grandson? We know that even a three-tomoe Sharingan requires a huge amount of chakra to use if you're not an Uchiha, and although Nagato had Uzumaki blood, I doubt he would have had sufficient chakra to use the Rinnegan (which is the highest evolutionary form of the Sharingan) continuously for years and years without ever deactivating it or covering it up. That would lead me to believe that he had some Uchiha heritage, even if he was ignorant of it and never learned how to use the Sharingan aspects of Madara's eyes.

 

That may not be a problem. The Rinnegan may be considered a Senju bloodline as well and so the drain from it could be on par with the drain on an Uchiha. And Uzumaki seem to have gotten the lifeforce and vitality of the younger son as well so they may be considered Senju as far as the rinnegan goes. lol at Obito's thankyou plan.

 

Doesn't explain some plot holes. Obito told Konan he convinced Yahiko to form Akatsuki. At the time of Akatsuki being active (beginning of 3rd Shinobi World War) he was still a Konoha shinobi. Also if Madara himself was involved in the creation of Akatsuki how could Nagato and Konan not be able to tell the difference between him and Obito (when he is masquerading as Madara). Also how could Nagato summon the Gedo Mazo against Hanzo without killing Madara?

 

I think it's probably safe to assume that Obito's claim about being behind the creation of Akatsuki was just another case of him lying/pretending to be Madara. The "plot holes" start stacking up pretty fast if we assume that the antagonist who's been pretty much constantly lying to everyone he talks to since he was introduced is actually telling the truth.

Besides, flashback-time isn't done yet. Little early to be complaining that we don't have all the answers yet.

 

It's too late now, though. Even if by some miracle Kishi manages to write a flashback/explanation for this Tobito fiasco that makes perfect sense and leaves not a single plothole, I just don't care anymore. It has got to the point that Tobi could be from the planet Zeist and that would surprise me less than any "logical" solution to all of this.

 

New chapter is up

 

So Zetsu doesn't take dumps...

That may have been the most interesting part of this chapter.

 

Guess next chapter we'll have Rin's death and Obito's MS awakening.

But yeah, this was beyond bad.

Here comes Babysitter!Zetsu.

 

Obito doesn't even have three tomoe yet. I wonder if that will prevent him from awakening his MS so soon, or if he activates it later, retroactively (remembering Rin's death).

Anyway, this chapter was garbage. Madara catches some Zs, Obito has a crappy training montage, we see how his hair grows out, and we discover that Zetsu can't take dumps. I do wonder, though, what eventually happens to the spiral-faced guy, and why there's no black Zetsu around.

 

Current events suck but now I'm curious to see exactly what happened to create this retard/bitch Tobito. Obito who happens to be an inferior copy of Naruto.

...I miss Naruto.

 

Madara said that Obito seemed to "slip" through into his underground lair almost miraculously. If that's not some sort of pre-MS kamui shenanigans then I guess I just read it wrong.

 

No, I think you read it right, and Kishi is just playing fast and loose with the basic rules of the Sharingan. There's really no good reason why Obito should have been able to 'slip' into Madara's lair, since he doesn't have his MS yet (or even his third tomoe), and thus no Kamui. Plot no Jutsu, I'd say.