Alright, so the first thing most of you seemed to ignore is the whole seppuko deal. I don´t think there are many apart from orochimaru that could survive having their stomach cut open so willy nilly.

The second thing i found interesting that i do not think anyone has talked about yet is that orochimaru now has a zetsu body. i wonder what applications that has.

i also don´t quite get the deal with his arms. didn´t switching bodies solve that problem for him in the beginning?

plus, didn´t he USE his arms in the since he was resurrected? He most certainly put on the mask with them.

 

Switching bodies was a temporary solution, every body he possessed slowly degrades anyway sort of like the Elric brother's father in the first FMA anime.

 

He switched bodies after the Chunin exams because he got his soul-arms (lolwut) sealed away. Since in this context the soul seems to be part of the chakra circulatory system, this means he can't channel chakra to his arms, therefore he can't make handsigns, therefore 99.9% of jutsu are forever out of reach. At no point did we ever see Orochimaru use any jutsu that required handseals afterwards for the whole series. Everything was seal-less. (Which adds bad-ass points to him when you consider the people he fought and almost beat while not using jutsu, as well as making Sasuke's victory more believable.)

All switching bodies did was allow him to use his arms again for daily stuff. The FMA-style degeneration was restricted solely to the body he had then. Jumping from body to body before was just to evade old age.

The progression goes:
-Initial body to new body #1--testing jutsu at first opportunity.
-Body 1 to 2(chunin exam body)--more suitable body and/or due to damage sustained when attempting to overcome Itachi.
-Body 2 (CEB) to 3--escaping Shiki Fuuin damage

 

^My reaction to the chapter. I found it very stupid.

 

I thought it'd be more weird to not have anything Uzumaki in Leaf.

I mean, their clan crest is part of the leaf design. They're valued allies. The First's wife is an Uzumaki. All the containers have been Uzumaki.

It'd be weird to not have some sort of compound, storage, or even just a simple house for them to crash in when they're supposed to be majorly connected to the village.

 

Then we will finally have proof of what I have thought ever since Madara revealed he could: Nidaime was just trolling the shit out of Sandaime.

I have a theory about Sasuke, which explains his complete lack of logical forethought: he heard Kakashi praise Naruto in the Wave arc for being the number 1 surprising ninja. Sasuke then was number 2 to Naruto in something. This he could not stand, so every time he makes a decision it must not make any rational sense.

 

Okay, that just might be the best theory for explaining Sasuke's actions I've ever heard.

 

So why was Naruto treated like he was bastard child? he didn't get anything from Namikaze, he didn't get anything from Uzumaki be it money, property, jutsu etc.

It would make sense if he was a bastard child but he is not. I simply don't get it.

 

Whats there not to get? The plot demanded it, so it happened.

 

It's the same reason that Dumbledore flew to the Ministry on a broomstick in PS. The author hadn't come up with that plot point yet, and said plot device made a hole.

If the Uzumaki clan was always supposed to have been a significant and known proud clan with as strong ties to the village as has been portrayed, then Naruto would not have had nearly as bad a childhood as he had. He wouldn't have been welcomed with open arms or anything due to his jinchuuriki status, but he certainly wouldn't have been persona non Grata like has been portrayed.

 

I doubt that. Maybe if there were other Uzumaki around, but otherwise Naruto was just some bastard naming himself like that without any proof that he was indeed from that clan. It could actually be another reason why people disliked him so much.

And why Naruto didn't know more about him own clan if it was so famous? Because it's Naruto and he never showed any interest in learning where he came from or details about the history of his Village. And these who could tell him about it were either keeping him from learning too much about his past (the Third Hokage, Jiraiya) or probably assumed that he knows that much (his friends).

 

The younger generation probably didn't know anything about the Uzumaki clan, considering it was long gone. So I doubt his friends would have attached any significance to the name at all. I mean, the destruction of Uzushiogakure happened even before Iruka was born, as far as I can tell. The only people who'd be in any position to tell Naruto about his heritage were either dead or intentionally keeping their silence.

 

Why wouldn't Iruka know, he was a teacher after all and the Uzumaki weren't exactly irrelevant in the history of the village, even if you exclude the knowledge of the Uzumaki jinchuriki's he should still know about the other stuff. Frankly, most Shinobi should know the names of the strongest Shinobi and the clans around, as well as in history. After all they were the biggest BAMF's of their time and if hero worship is even remotely like what it is in real life there should be little excuse.

 

Personally, I liked the way "Dreaming of Sunshine" portrayed the Naruto situation the most. That he wasn't exactly mistreated as he was ignored, since everyone regarded Naruto as "someone else's problem" and didn't want to bother with it and maybe everyone just assumed the name Uzumaki was given in an honorary fashion, since everyone knew the Uzumaki's were dead and konoha was honouring their fallen allies by keeping the name alive, giving it to nameless orphans.

Naruto thus never really cared about the connection to the clan, hardly knew anything about it since it wasn't really his own and wanted to make his own name.

Pure fan speculation, of course, but I think that made the most sense.

 

Except even things like worship of the big 2 clans - the Uchiha and Senju - doesn't really pop up in the manga. They're acknowledged as strong, sure, but unless we're talking about specific members in relevant conversations, they don't get mentioned.

Konoha just doesn't really seem like a place that puts so much emphasis on blood and history. Instead they focus on loyalty and brotherhood. Lauding an old clan (which is mostly gone, such as the case with Uchiha, Senju, Uzumaki) just doesn't really seem to fit in with their ideology.

Having said that, I really wish that there had been more foreshadowing with this, because it really does look like Kishimoto is building up to something big with the Uzumaki clan and it's sort of coming out of left field. I like the idea that Naruto wasn't some no-name nobody but would it have been so hard to have dropped a hint or two? I mean Kishimoto had to have been planning this for years now. There's no way he just came up with his titular character's back story ten years into publication. I mean he published the damn Uzumaki crest back in the VotE fight side by side with the Uchiha crest, so it's not like the fact that everyone wears the Uzumaki clan symbol is a revelation.

But I have the same beef with how he's failed to build the relationship with Hinata. They had enough scenes together in Part 2 that there could have been some development, but no, it never happened.

 

The compound isn't in leaf itself though. They literally state; " considering how far from the village it is...".

So that the younger generation and Naruto know nothing of it seems possible. By the time they were born the Uzumaki's where supposed to be gone outside of Kushina, people who did connect Naruto with the Uzumaki probably thought it was in honor of. Also, maybe a little stupid but, he didn't inherit their typical red hair, which could have put people of track.

 

So why did Sandaime or Jiraiya not tell Naruto about his mother when he was at least Genin (and ONLY about his mother, NOT about Yondaime) ? Were they afraid of Kumo ? Then why call Naruto Uzumaki at all ?

And was it really safer for Naruto that he did not know name or appearance of his own mother until SHE told him but entire village (and probably every enemy of Konoha) knew that he was jinchuuriki when he was only a toddler ?

 

I think it's safe to say that if anyone had told Naruto about his mother it would have led to questions about his father - not that it's even very clear that keeping that information from Naruto was intentional. Considering how pathetic the "big reveal" about Naruto's parents eventually was, I'm not really sure why Kishimoto decided to keep that information from us (the audience). And that's really the only reason why Naruto was never told, to leave us guessing.

 

As to what Kishimoto is building up to with all this Uzumaki clan stuff, I personally think it has to do with the Rikudou Sennin. I believe the Uzumaki clan is the original clan into which the Sage was born. He was an Uzumaki, but his two sons diverged and created the Senju and Uchiha clans. The Senju, due to their 'love' philosophy, remained closely connected to the Uzumaki, while the Uchiha went their own power-craving way.

This Uzumaki mask is a similar sort of artifact to those used by Ginkaku and Kinkaku, in that it's massively hax if you know how to use it properly. All these massively overpowered items are products of the sealing masters of the Uzumaki clan, for sure.

That's my theory, anyway. How it would all apply to Naruto's situation, I have no idea.

 

Who said anyone knew he was an actual Uzumaki?

Again, if the Third was trying to hide that Naruto was the 4th's son, why deliberately link it to a woman the 4th was seeing and that, apparently, several people already knew were in a relationship?

Plausible give an important orphan, one known village-wide to contain the nine tails, the name of a clan known for their seals, longevity, camaraderie, and close relationship to the Hokages.

It's kind of like naming your daughter Hope or something similar. You're trying to give them a meaningful name that they can live up towards.

Also, if you haven't noticed, pretty much every Uzumaki shown has crazy red hair. IF that trend really continued throughout the clan, I doubt anyone would jump on the "Blond Orphan is an actual Uzumaki!" train.

Also, why would Naruto inherit anything at all if you're trying to keep his identity hidden? You don't give away random powerful ninja heirlooms or resources to an unknown kid. Especial not if that kid is already Person of Mass Destruction from birth that still has a chance to defect and is completely unknown.


By the way, IIRC, Naruto is a bastard child because Kushina and Minato never actually got hitched.

Also, Naruto being a known "For real" Uzumaki would have been even more dangerous when combined with the container. At least as just the Container, there's a reason to guard Naruto and a deterrent for others to not try to attack him because bijuu.

Add in Uzumaki, who have history with the beasts and have crazy seals? Yeah, people would have definitely been gunning for his death since birth, forcing the village to divert even more resources. The double threat would basically force other villages into action.