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General League of Legends v.2.0

Discussion in 'League of Legends' started by Dark Syaoran, Sep 10, 2012.

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  1. ElDee

    ElDee Unspeakable

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    That ult is on a decent cooldown, so not something you really want to pop just to get into lane quicker.

    Jungler? She's an AD carry and has all those squishy weaknesses, but maybe. She does have AoE damage on her Q, but the cooldown isn't as low as Ezreal's. She might be able to handle it, but it probably won't be good.

    I can totally see her being played solo top though. I don't think it'll catch on, but her kit seems pretty good for it. It'll be the same as champions like Vayne and Ezreal, they can live solo top, but nobody ever tries to play them there.


    EDIT: Should've checked before, but Stonewall already posted a jungle Quinn video. She's not great.
     
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  2. Darth Disaster

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    RIOT Y U NO REMAKE/BUFF XERATH AND VIKTOR.
     
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  3. Fenraellis

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    I certainly [probably] wouldn't use it just to get in lane, although it is twice as strong as Yi's Ult for movespeed, and for a longer duration, if needed to get somewhere(oh, and has 80% attack speed, too, just no slow-immunity).

    That said, that jungle video you posted was painful to watch. He took the attack speed bonus(only after hitting a marked target) and reveal at level one, instead of the aoe damage and blind?? The latter of which probably would have saved him some early pots. Also, he almost never took advantage of his passive when it went on creeps other than his big target that he was attacking, which would have not just killed them faster, but given him an attack speed bonus to kill the others faster as well.

    I'm not saying she's jungle viable, but he sure as well wasn't even trying to play her as if she was.
     
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  4. ElDee

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    Seemed legit to me. Sure, he didn't play it perfectly (hardly a surprise for the first attempt with a new mechanic), but if a jungler has a passive steroid or basic attack modifier then 90% of the time that's the ability you take first in the jungle.
     
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    Because neither require buffs. Viktor is pretty strong right now. Just play him. Xerath could perhaps use QoL changes on his ult but his damage is pretty high. Both viable champs.
     
  6. Fenraellis

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    The problem is that her attack speed buff 'passive', requires her to hit a marked target to trigger it, and then it's a 20% for 3 seconds bonus. He often didn't even attack marked targets during the video, simply because they were not the one he was attacking. Maybe it would have worked better if he had, but I don't think it's as useful as the alternative.
    Compared to aoe damage which includes a blind to prevent damage to yourself. I just don't see it as worthwhile for your level 1 pick in the jungle scenario. Good for level 2, of course, but I think aoe+blind would be better for level 1.
     
  7. Wildfeather

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    I normally take the aoe over the steroid, Mundo w over e, Skarner Q over W, Hecarim Q over W, Shaco boxes over shiv, Udyr pheonix or tiger over turtle. The skill you take at level 1 is to kill wolves or blue first. Whatever helps you take the least damage during the first two creep camps. The only exception with the junglers I play is Volibear, where you take the W steroid/execute at level 1 over the E fear.
     
  8. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

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    So has anyone else noticed that since the last patch Akali is wtf broken op?
     
  9. Wildfeather

    Wildfeather The Nidokaiser ~ Prestige ~

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    I haven't wanted to play so I can't say that I have. I dropped a division in three games then lost 2 more and I'm afraid to play in case I get dropped again. But she gets her passive for free now, giving her more "build options" than just glass cannon, so I would assume that yes she is overpowered, since you can now start with defensive runes/masteries and get the free sustain and damage.
     
  10. Churchey

    Churchey Supreme Mugwump

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    LCS did a short on Dyrus' home life with his Dad. Very emotional, but Dyrus is just so damn monotone. Dadrus was in tears though, very touching.
     
  11. Fenraellis

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    Well, I know that for my Mastery, I dropped both Brute Force, got the fourth point in CDR, and took Spell Sword. For my Rune page, all I did was replace my AD Quints with CDR Quints to make up for the loss of CDR on the DFG.

    Ultimately my actual item build is the same, my CDR is 1% higher, and my bonus magic damage on attack is similar(-2% passive, +5%AP->magic on attack). I do lose roughly 2.5% spell vamp, but... eh.
    Arguably, it's slightly weaker over all, due to the spell vamp, compared to other gains, but that's a difference of 58->55.5%.(including mastery, occult, gunblade and red elixir, but not baron)
    So, still good overall. I haven't noticed a real change either way by mid game. Slightly less spell vamp early, and more CDR pre-DFG, but it balances out.
     
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    Wait, why was Dadrus in tears?
     
  13. Kaemrynn

    Kaemrynn Fourth Year

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    I think more than anything, Viktor just needs to be given some credit. He is considered an extremely undervalued AP mid compared to some of the more commonplace champions.

    He has insane damage output, he can poke and trade well in laning phase because of his Q, and he has an AOE stun and AOE ult for teamfights.

    People just don't seem to want to play him. I don't get to play mid very much, but when I do play him, I wreck a lot of the traditional AP mids.

    Granted, one of the more entertaining ways to play him is when I support Viktor with Fenraellis as Cait. As soon as they get trapped, I throw my stun, or vice versa. A lot of free harass and good CC in lane. I usually pick up the stun range extender for his augment when I support.
     
  14. Churchey

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    Being proud of his son. They had a falling out over him wanting to play league professionally, and later some relative (now deceased) told Dadrus that Dyrus was pro and making a living off of his career.

    Said, "You kids don't understand, but there's nothing better than knowing your child is self-sufficient" or something a little more touching.
     
  15. Wildfeather

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    I always found Xerath's damage to be underwhelming, even if his range made it clear thematically he is supposed to fulfil a siege/poke type role. However comparatively his utility seemed low when out in the likes of Ahri (super safe, taunt), Ziggs (global ult, slow, knock back/up), or Zyra (slow, snare, knockup) who are also long range champions good in a siege.

    Admittedly Xerath has a huge conflict in his itemization, because he wants max CDR for his W to he usable ever, but also wants spell penetration to work with his W. So the conflict with his boots is there (sorc. Vs. Lucidity) and also he wants to stack raw AP (his passive and the .6 ratio on Q and ult, .8 on E). I guess now you could run morellonomicon into spirit of the spectral wraith into DFG to make out CDR (or rely on blue/blue pot) but either way it feels like he needs to build so many stats and then you STILL need to build around him.



    The long and short of it is mobility is king in LoL and Xerath's play revolves around giving up that mobility for damage, which hardly ever works out. Nevermind that in a health stacking meta burst casters all seem weaker. If the range on his E was a little longer he would probably be extremely strong, since at the moment he can -i think- burst the ADC in the back lines and still have his Q for chunking out opponents. If they ever went through with the change that his W made him immune to knockups he woukd definitely see play.

    Edit(dat fail-edit):

    Well, I literally have no reason to play Taric as a support anymore. I will now only play Taric as Bruiser top with Muramana, Archangels, Randuins, and Nashors. Because two Muramana on an autoattack is delicious.
     
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  16. Darth Disaster

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    Viktor's passive needs adjusting. It's been said by Riot that it's In The Works, but not any time soon.

    Xerath has gotten completely ignored. He needs two Qs even at lategame to clear a wave, whereas most AP carries/bruisers/ADCs can do it in one. His passive is basically useless, and his itemization requirements are Huge and varied and difficult. To get a good build for him that doesn't sacrifice one thing in favor of others requires an expensive as fuck build, something he has trouble getting with his sub-par farming ability.

    Basically, Wildfeather has it right. But his ult could use some QoL as well. Change it to an ammo system instead of short-burst system. Allow him to actually SIEGE instead of try to burst-from-afar. That'd make him an incredible part of a Poke-Comp.

    Okay, I usually hate Dyrus (he comes across as a giant manchild, to me) but this makes me like him a bit more.
     
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  17. BsuperB

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    Even ARAM's are getting kinda dull now. If people don't leave every time they get a champion they simply don't want (seriously? It's ARAM for a reason...) I seem to get the same pool of champions.

    Think I own something like 80 Champions now, yet every ARAM without fail I get either Mundo, Ziggs, Skarner, Poppy, Leona or Tristana. Kinda sucks, though AP Leona is fun as hell.

    Edit; Cripes, sucks for Wolves, their adc got mugged this morning and they're scheduled for 2 matches tonight =\.
     
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  18. ElDee

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    Yeah, ARAM is strange. I've been playing it while I can't be bothered to put effort into ranked and ended up with Taric three times in a row.

    Starting to think I should keep an ARAM log instead of a ranked log... would be interesting to see exactly how random it is.
     
  19. Dark Syaoran

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    Damn, some parents get too involved or expectant in their kids lives. If he wants to flip burgers, he wants to flip burgers. If he wants to play a video game, he wants to play a video game. If he wants to go med school, he wants to go to med school.
     
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  20. BsuperB

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    Feels like there's something in the water lately, every game where the enemy jungler's been Rammus today (interestingly 3 out of 7) my team has been crushed. I dunno what it is about Rammus but he seems to buttfuck any team I get for no reason at all. Probably because nobody wards, again. Meh.

    Also played support in every game so that's probably my problem, stop jungling and instantly go on a losing streak.

    As for the Dyrus thing, eh. I feel like Ocelote's story might be more... 'boo-hoo' but then Oce generally comes across as a douche so. Props to Dadrus though, now an active LoL player even though I hear he only plays Olaf, should be interesting after the Olaf nerfs!

    Edit; - Actually scratch that, Dyrus has the better sob story, Oce's story is probably just more... inspiring? I dunno. Basically his stream revenue & now pro salary pays the bills for his family (No idea whether his parents are too ill to work, just lazy or what, but yeah).
     
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