Yeah, this only works if Dresden protects Molly every night.

What if the Queen/King does a fake roleclaim instead of the pawn/thrall in order to avoid being killed right away by the other scum faction with the hope that they'll collect enough counters/thralls to survive? The pawn/thrall takes over the position of Queen/King if they are lynched, so it's a possibility.

Anyway, I support a Molly roleclaim at this point. Waiting another day really doesn't help us.

 

Did your opinion change any since then? Also read Bill Door's post about it.

Speaking about good ideas, Bill Door has the right of it. We should really scumhunt and vote while discussing/going ahead with the plan.

This reads like you trying to pull yourself out of your scum point of view only to fuck up and stay stuck in between. It doesn't help (in my eyes) that you seemed pretty set on opposing Molly's rolereveal.

Lynch: Schrodinger

NobelFiction: what are your reads so far?

Sesc: what are the most interesting links between players?

Rents: what do we need the most right now?

 

Since Stojil pointed that post out, Bill Door: Why Castiel?

 

I reread the entire topic and I see the merits of this plan. I'm more inclined to Aekiel's plan in post #48.

I'll write more tomorow, when I wake up - from 9 to 11 hours from now.

 

This seems to make sense. If everyone can agree let's go with this.

Eh, I would defend myself but I really don't know what I have to defend from.

Post people. I wanna go sumhunting too but there isn't much to work with right now.

 

That's because I do oppose it. Disagreeing with you isn't a scum tell, Stojil.

 

Marcone getting lucky without any thralls kills the Queen/King.

While I'm still in support of Stojil's plan, it's really up to Molly at this point, so let's move on to scumhunting.

Castiel, I don't know about Bill Door, but I personally don't like how two of your six posts are arguing with Stojil about the plan in a sufficiently minimalist way as to not actually say anything, while prodding him to reveal more. The other four are literally you agreeing with some other person.

What are your thoughts on Schrodinger, Castiel?

 

Aek's plan at this point makes most sense, should we be lynching someone today? because honestly all it will do at this point is lower our population quicker, shouldn't we at least wait for any possible Molly!claims tomorrow?

 

Mostly just throwing shit at a wall to see how it bounces. But also how he's flip flopped with his opinions. Seems a bit off.

Post moar NobelFiction.

 

I was trying to make sure the plan is fool-proof. Stojil isn't townfirmed. This plan could easily be the scum trying to get Molly out. Don't forget that.

Anything "revealed" regarding the plan was already obvious if you looked closely enough.

I just don't want us to reveal who Molly is and then realize we missed something and let the scum kill her off.

But from Stojil's post (the one with all the cases covered) it seems like the plan is solid.

He gets points for being active. But his posts seem a bit off. Right now I would place him leaning towards scum, and a possible lynch target for today. I want more people to speak before I decide though.

If someone suggested a better plan or a fault in the current one that I agreed with I said so.

 

You ignored the first part of my post.

And you still oppose the plan? Why? Last I saw, your objections were pretty much completely wrong/misinformed.

So you want us to lose a day? Ollie, you have played every freaking mafia game on this site and you still propose stuff like this? Did you really not improve one bit? Or are you scum?

Guys, waiting for tomorrow is risky on so many levels. I can't even say some of it! And for what? A single check?

Question for everyone: do you think scum will counterclaim Molly? Why and how?

 

Honestly, even if scum were going to fake/counterclaim, I doubt they will now. Unless they see some huge gap that nobody else has in the reasoning presented in-thread. It's a pity, too.

Also, Rents, hasn't that question been gone into and answered quite thoroughly pretty much every time we play mafia? Maybe not so much in some of the latest games, but that's really only because everyone's realised what the accepted answer is. IIRC there was even a thread on it at some point.

 

If they planned to claim preemptively they would have done so by now. So if we get a Molly-claim and a subsequent counter-claim, we (at least I) will doubt the second claimant more. So, no, I don't think they would risk it.

Of course there are two scum teams which complicates things a little but not for us, for them.

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I am off to sleep for now. The day will probably have ended by the time I wake up.

So, Lynch: Schrodinger

Food for thought:The only three people who have lynch votes against them are the ones with the most posts in the thread if you ignore Stojil.

 

Riley, can you tells us exactly when day ends?

A vote tally would also be great, so we can clearly see how much this day 1 sucked on that front.

 

I was waiting until Noon to post this but.

Lynch Vote as it stands now:
Castiel: 1
Schrodinger: 2
Fontisian: 1
Majority needed to Lynch: 8.

There are 7 hours and 25 minutes remaining.

 

Sesc: I was saying that we have two options that I like. 1. Molly roleclaims and Dresden protects her. 2. Dresden protects himself every night. I like the first option more for many reasons that I don't feel like restating. You're right about the weird wording, though. I meant "If everyone thinks a Molly reveal is too risky."

That said, I'm get slight scum vibes from Schro. And not just because he disagrees with you Stojil, as his point about our inability to verify Molly claims was a good one at the time.

Schro: Why reveal so early on?

Castiel: Think content over quantity of posts. Aekiel's only had two posts, but he's said a lot. Zennith on the other hand, has had 5 posts and hasn't said much at all, which I really dislike.
Actually, Lynch: Zennith

Jibril: I see you lurking around. Anything to say?

 

Hmm. I agree with Castiel that if scum were going to jump the gun and claim before the real Molly they'd have done it by now. So it would be suspicious is anyone were to counterclaim Molly, if she comes forward.

That said, the threat of a roleclaimed and protected Molly is huge to either scum team, since lynches are oneshot kills on the leaders, no matter how many counters/thralls they have. So chances are if Molly claims then there will be a counterclaim.

Doctor protected Cop is scum's worst nightmare. Not counterclaiming would be idiocy in the extreme.

 

Right, Stojil's question.
Counter-claiming is risky for scum, but has a really high reward. I think that the White Court is more likely to try it than the Red Court, because they'd be able to mimic Molly's night visits, but really, I doubt either court will try.

 

Yes. I reread the entire topic and I rescind my previous thought about Molly coming out in the second day. There is to much risk in scum getting lucky and offing her.

So, I respectfully ask Dresden to protect me this night, as I am Molly (that sounds so corny )