Guy who plays Yorick calls other people douches. lol

I figured we pretty much covered why Yorick is an awful champion in the other thread, after I called him the ultimate expression of faggotry.

He is a weak champ whose only saving grace is was his ability to destroy any lane in a faceroll fest, which he really can't do anymore with the s3 changes and especially the rise of 9pot starts. 99% of the time, no matter how well you do in lane, you are entirely dependent on your team to win the game. Your contribution to the late game is entirely based on how strong your ADC is and how smartly they can position.

Now, take away his ability to gain farm in any reasonable measure, because jungle creeps are hard. You think that spending some of your limited early game gold on tear is a good idea? Or is your plan to take the second blue buff as well? At that point, you are actually putting your mid-lane behind if his jungler doesn't follow your lead in playing selfishly.

So for ganks, you run in and drop a weak slow, then he gets away? That's the plan? It's kind of like a GP gank, except GP has MS and can keep the slow applied. Yorick's MS can't be used unless he reaches his target first. I mean, play Shyvana and clear faster and gank better.

It comes down to the fact that Yorick is never a good pick, not that he is weak in the jungle. He probably clears decently well. But his ganks and duels aren't actually strong enough to warrant the loss of the utility other junglers bring. Pretty much every "mainstream" jungle will gank better than yorick, and I'm pretty sure that Yorick isn't really that strong in a jungle duel either.

His ult is not that good except on hypercarries like kog/cass/vayne, which aren't even that popular, and, still rely ultimately on the skill of another player.

Yorick won't win a fight vs most other bruisers, assuming full builds. I'd take Vi, Xin, Noct, WW, Skarner, mumu, cho, mundo, malph, jarv, jax, lee, hecarim, irelia, olaf, naut, mao, riven, sejuani, shen, udyr, trundle, wk, or volibear to win a 1v1, while also providing more utility to their team. In the mid game, most of those champs will bring a LOT more to the fight than yorick, even if he might win a 1v1.

In the end, Yorick is a character with a very weak late game, and you are taking him into the jungle where his biggest strength (his harass) is pretty useless, denying him farm, and praying that your enemies make enough mistakes for the game to end before it gets to late. You are taking a character who thrives in the mid game and putting him where he won't get the farm he needs to be strong in that mid game.

Also, you're playing a faggoty champion.

 

In response to WildFeather:
By all means, Yorick is a semi-slow jungler and his ganks are certainly sub-par. But it can be done.

His ghosts tank, so you take less damage. Rotate abilities to constantly keep a ghost out. His E gives him great sustain. I can walk out of the jungle (having started machete and 5 pots) using either only one or no pots at all.

He CAN jungle, but no one in their right mind would take him in a ranked game expecting to win. Of course, it can certainly fake out your opponents if you first pick Yorick, have an opponent pick Trundle or Cho'Gath, and have a team mate pick a champion who can fuck one or both of those champions over. But still, picking Yorick to jungle is something I've done with a full pre-made for the hell of it, simply because I can.

In response to Churchey:
Note the title of the thread. Now look at your argument. This is strictly about jungling Yorick.
A couple of my observations about jungling Yorick and/or your post:
1. Never had issues against most bruisers top if they start 9 pots. It just means I build more useful items earlier because even if I don't outright kill them, I can constantly poke them down and force them to leave, and I certainly don't die to them.
2. This thread is about jungling.
3. Never need the second blue buff I just build a Tear of the Goddess. Most junglers don't build it, true. But it isn't that fucking expensive. Also, Yorick ISN'T most junglers.
4. Yorick's W is a 25% slow with two points in it. GP at most, even at level 18, can have a 21% slow. And he has to melee at least once or twice and Parrrley once. GP's move speed buff is 20% when maxed out. Yorick's move speed buff is 20% with two points.
5. Yorick can't 1v1 some champions in the jungle, true. But he's no slouch either, especially early on when must jungle duels take place. Can he 1v1 Olaf, Skarner, Lee Sin, Udyr, or Jax? Hell no. But neither can most champions.
6. How the hell is Vayne not popular? Are you blind or full retard? My inclination: both. She's easily one of the most popular ADC's.
7. I never said he was a strong jungler.
8. If you read my original post, I said I COULD jungle Yorick, never said that I consistently have. My main jungler through and through is Maokai, and I would choose Shyvana or Nautilus over Yorick very quickly in a serious game.

Now I will say, you did try to make a logical and informed argument this time. You still need to work on the amicable part though.

 

Just thought I'd point out, that the whole "Yorick relies on skill of teammate" is just stupid. While ulting ADC will usually grant the greatest amount of damage, allowing an AP carry to come back alive and use more spells is often equally good. It's not a, ADC not fed = GG. This game is a team game in the end, and saying Yoricks ult sucks because it relies on teammate is like saying Amumu's ult sucks because it relies on teammates to do damage during the cc.

If anything, I'd be impressed at a Yorick player now because he simply does NOT destroy a lot of top lanes anymore. Skillfully playing Yorick and actually destroying the lane is a lot harder than one might imagine. The whole idea that "Oh no, he only has to spam QWE to win lane" is dumb.

As for Yorick as a jungler, I'd hardly say it's any good at all. Nonetheless, it does wrok to a certain extent, and I would not complain if I saw one in a normal game.

 

If you feel the urge to play jungle Yorick, pick up jungle Nasus. Similar very safe Jungle health, similar slow based ganks but considerably better dueling/late game presence.

 

Changing the topic slightly, I've been wondering about bringing out Udyr again as I seem to be on a 50/50 recently so, guess I'm not going anywhere till the summer at least when I can devote several days to just ranked & trying my hardest.

Why? I dunno, bored of the current range of junglers I normally play, brought Naut out of retirement with mixed results, fancy a change of pace as it were.

So I'm thinking something like this;

AS Reds
Armor Yellows
MR per level blues
AD quints

Max Tiger first followed by Bear, something like QWEQE so I'm slightly faster & going 9/21/0 obviously taking the points in Tenacity & slow reduction.

Build wise I've no idea regarding order but something along the lines of Elder Lizard/Wriggles*, Boots 3 (Swiftness?) into tanky so Randuins/Bulwark etc depending on gold.

* - Now, I guess there's multiple paths to go here, considering I want to try out Tiger as the new BotRK & some other items seem far appealing now though you could make an equal case for standard Phoenix Udyr. I'm not too sure though, because Madreds/Wriggles with Tiger would make for an insane clear, same with Phoenix, though I think Elder Lizard would be better because it's a perma-slow, making you hard if not impossible to peel in earlier ganks & it works well with Tiger or Phoenix.

Just something I've been going over because I've always loved Udyr, he was the 2nd champion I ever bought behind Twisted Fate but he was in such a bad spot with the number of escapes new champions are coming with and I'd love to bring my favourite Manbearpig back.

 

My experience with BotRK on Udyr is that it's a match made in heaven. Get Wriggles, BotRK, Bulwark and go solo yourself a baron.

 

Ad hominem GO!

Ok, well I CAN jungle zilean with rewind level 1*. But if you can't take it into a game with the expectation of winning, you can't really jungle yorick.
I CAN take a test without studying, but I wouldn't go in expecting to pass. Yea, great argument.

Disclaimer: You apparently can't skill rewind at level 1 anymore

Learn to read an argument.
*Yorick is already bad in lane.
*Jungle gets less farm and less xp than lane.
*Yorick needs farm and xp (Assumed you could work this out for yourself, apparently I was wrong)
Therefore, Yorick is does even more poorly than his already poor performance in lane.

Pretty straightforward, I thought. Let me know if you need it slowed down even more.

Also, if you win lanes as Yorick in the current patch, it's because your opponents suck or your jungler is carrying you hard. Likely both. Someone used Yorick and did very well with him in a game with me a few weeks back. Does it mean anything? No, he was 1v2ing level 15s because Jon was on his smurf.

You're right, he's worse than most junglers all junglers. That's 700g that you are behind the other jungler now.

Holy rose tinted goggles, batman! Incoming theorycraft.

Firstly, I was using GP as an example of another horrible jungler who can still do better than Yorick. Secondly, at least use a somewhat likely situation and provide the real facts, not cherry picked ones.

In a gank situation, GP is infinitely superior. That level 4 early game gank, he activates raise morale and gives himself 8% and his ally 4%. He then gets to parrrley from range which applies a 7% slow and another 8% red buff slow. Both last for 3 seconds and together are equivalent to a 14.5% slow. If he then gets into range using that 3 seconds of 14.5% slow, he gets to reapply that buff in melee and increase the slow to ~26%.

Yorick, on the other hand, applies a 25% slow at level 4 (rank 2) for 1.5 seconds, and then the ghoul lasts for up to 4 more seconds if nothing attacks it, applying a 12.5% slow. These also don't apply red buff. On top of that, Yorick needs to run into melee range to actually apply his omen of war to gain movement speed. If he does get into range before the 12.5% slow wears off, he can then continue to chase with an 8% red buff slow.

So besides that initial 1.5 seconds of better slow, GP has more slow for longer. He also is already moving faster for the duration that matters to move into range to keep red buff and grog up. Assuming the target has GP and Yorick's 345 MS as well, GP will slow the target to 295 and close the distance at 373. Yorick will slow the target to 259, and move at 345 to close the distance. The difference in speed for that first 1.5 seconds is 8 in Yorick's favor. GP moves 78 faster than his victim, Yorick moves 82 faster. For the first 1.5 seconds. The next 1.5 seconds have GP slowing for more and moving faster. As soon as they get in range, this goes wildly in GP's favor and he will deal more damage as well. As soon as that 1.5 seconds of slow wears off, it's in GP's favor.

Let's say they both reach the target. GP slows the target to 26% less of normal speed and Yorick gets red buff only, getting 20% extra (assuming 2 in omen 2 in pestilence). Let's say the 7 seconds of GP's raise morale is done, he is now at a 90 MS bonus to the slowed target (345 to 255). Yorick is moving at 414 for 4.5 seconds (not 5, due to bug) and the target is moving at 317. So Yorick is 7 MS faster in comparison to his target than GP is, if raise morale has worn off. On the other hand, GP's ally has that same 90 MS advantage, where Yorick's ally only has a 30 MS advantage. On top of that, GP's slower moving target will take longer to get to turret, giving more time to deal damage.

At level 6, GP's ranged red buff becomes an 16% slow (~22% with passive) and at level 11 it becomes 24% (~30% with passive). He also deals more damage and has a global ultimate. Yorick's slows will get much better here, getting to 40% and 20%. So if you max pestilence first, you will have 2 levels between 9 and 11 where yorick has a slightly stronger slow, if they jungle evenly and maintain a similar amount of EXP. Still though, 30% for 3 seconds is the same as 40%/20% for 1.5 each, and GP's raise morale gets better while Yorick's omen of war still needs to get in melee to activate.

This is all theoretical, of course, but I feel it's necessary to point out the facts here.
I'm sure when you play against mouth breathers, your yorick works great in the jungle when you play him "just because", even though you wouldn't play him and expect to win...?

Sure though, if you can get to a lane and use your 1.5 second slow to get into melee range, your gank is "better."

You're right, but most champions can gank, farm quickly, counter jungle, or be a decent source of some sort of support in the form of CC or tankiness or damage put out. Yorick can do none of these things, except drop a shitty 1.5 second slow in a small aoe once every 12 seconds.

I never see her. Maybe part of that is because all the DLP adcs play Cait. Last I checked, she isn't a common pick, but I could be wrong.
But I'm a blind, full retard. Says the jungle yorick. lol.

Ok. I'm not going to touch this because I'm still wrapping my head around:

If you can't play it in a serious game, you can't really play it.

I wish I could tell you that you did the same, but you're more full of shit than a born-again christian.

Because your post was so friendly. I must be blind. Or full retard.:facepalm

Pull up your pants kid. I'm done with you.


@Tragicmat: I realize what you are saying and that's why I included Cass into that category. It's nice to bring an AP carry back to life, but if your AP carry blew its load, then it will get 2-3 more spells off before that 10 seconds is up and that's that, with a few exceptions. You can bring back the tank, but at the same time why would you? His ult really just isn't that useful as a resurrection tool (except on really fed ADCs) because a malphite/mumu could've ulted to keep their carry/support/ap/top from dying in the first place, imo.

The only time Yorick's ult becomes stronger than the opponents is when it's used as a clone of your ADC so you have 2 caitlyns with full builds unloading on the enemy. If it's used as a resurrection, you're trading a high damage or high cc jungler/top lane for a 10 second GA.

The amumu comparison you make is farfetched, because locking down an entire team for 2 seconds is much better than bringing back one teammate for 10. Amumu's ult simultaneously stops the enemy from dealing damage and allows your team to deal damage freely.

And as for skilled yoricks: to me, it's the same thing as zubat. Everyone hated zubat because when it was first introduced, you caught it at level 4 and had to level it to 16 with only a 20 damage bug type move. Even then, its evolutionary line did nothing that Pidgeotto couldn't do better. In Gen V, the Zubat line is caught later, has a robust move set, and a stronger evolutionary line. Still though, everyone hates Zubat because it's such a faggot.

Yorick, in the same way, went for a long period of time where he would faceroll lanes in a large elo bracket (1600 and below) and be uncounterable for most traditional top laners. He still lost the game because his harass is only useful in a 1on1 scenario and he has no other redeeming features, but that didn't make him any less faggoty. Now, even though he lacks that faceroll capability, he's just a faggoty champion by history.

But unlike zubat in Gen V, yorick still sucks dicks.

 

I wish I could condense this entire post and put it into my Sig, but instead I might just settle for this. We'll see how quickly I get tired of the current one.

 

Sigh.
At this point, I'm still trying to figure out why I participated in this inane argument for so long. I have received no back-up (slightly disheartening) because no one wishes to enter the shit storm that is Churchey and his lapdog friend, WalkingDisaster.

Yes, I can jungle Yorick to great effect. Yes, I can win mutliple games with him, and have done so as Fenraellis and Kellros can attest. But as for not playing him in a serious game, it's because he's gimmicky. Just as my Viktor support is gimmicky or Sona ADC can be gimmicky. That is why I jungle Maokai most of the time. Because he is not a gimmicky jungler.

As for Yorick top: Truth be told, I haven't played top in quite some time. Most of the time, I'm the support on my team, whether by choice or "I can't hear you all the way at last pick". However, when I do get the rare chance to go top, I usually take my favorite Yordle, Rumble, or, now that I've started playing her, Irelia.

So, congrats Churchey. You win. Faggoty Yorick is faggoty.

 

Wat? Kaermyrnn you wound me. Now see here I pointed out why I think Yorick jungle could work, but have never done it.

 

Pretty sure it's a typo, but you do say that his MS boost, MS slow, sustain, and ghost tanking

But I will admit you did provide something to make me realize that I'm only partially insane.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

 

Sarcasm on the internet. I was making a parallel between Skarner and Yorick, since they both have MS boosts and slows pre 6.

 

Just got caught up on this thread. Your pathing with Mundo pains me. Also your start along with that QEQW one also pains me.

EWWQ is my skill path. Going Wraith > Red > Golems > Wraith > Wolves > Blue.

In other news my junglers are Mundo, Amumu, Warwick, and Nocturne.

 

Shyvanna, Diana and Nocturne are the ones I main, for the most part. If I don't have to be another tanky-turd I might use Fiddle or Zed but those aren't too often. Once in a while I pull out the Shaco but I'm not really a fan of him like I used to be. Sometimes I throw a Kayle in there but she recently got the nerf-stain.

 

My Mundo leveling is W>E>Max Q with R at 6, and the pathing is like Poy's Wraith>Red>Golem>Wolves>Wraiths>Blue. I don't know if the w first does it or that q does it, but I clear up to Golem fast enough that wraiths are back up yet until a few seconds after Wolves.

My junglers are WW, Mundo, and Rammus.

 

In my defence Mundo has always been one of my least played junglers because of just how much damage he takes early on and he struggles to duel people if caught at the right moment. After that he's a beastly duelist but I always struggle to be effective with him so I tend to stay away from him. That & with BotrK & Liandry's, he seems like Shyv lately, in a terrible spot.

Outside that, yeah, my path needs work. I'm too used to starting blue for whatever reason, I think I start wraiths > red on Lee and Vi and that's about it. Thinking about it, Vi starting red makes no sense given her need of it to gank with 21/9/0 though I only played her twice in ranked jungle-wise so, hmm. Zed's probably the other I was thinking of.

I never started QEWQ, I was struggling to think how best to go as starting W sucks ass since the jungle buffs. E hadn't crossed my mind for whatever reason, probably the short duration, though every little helps.

Oh well, learn something new every day. Still need to get a jungle game where I feel brave enough to try out my Udyr plan and play some more snowballish junglers such as Vi, Olaf and possibly Lee more often.

 

Honestly, I hate starting red. Even on energy champs/no mana champs, I love starting blue so I can either make a play on the enemy red or give it to mid lane.

I'm surprised noone mentioned Xin Zhao or Volibear. I've also seen a lot of Maokai in solo queue.

 

Maokai is a beast. Decent sustain, fairly quick clear, and then gank like no other with a smattering of counter-jungling if you know where the enemy jungle is.

He's my main jungler, and he has always been strong.

 

So I've been on vacation and haven't checked in for a bit (Orlando's Harry Potter world is pretty badass, btw), but here is a delayed response.
Feel free to disregard this post or put me on ignore entirely if you truly are done with the yorick discussion, but the douche in me won't let anyone off with this passive aggressive, cunty little response.

I'm not sure if it's much of an argument. I give you numbers and you give me fallacies. By all means though, offering math in face of your furious backpedaling makes me a shitstorm. And clearly, the reason no one supports you is because I am said shitstorm, and not because other people don't want to argue math with awful insults.

I'd also like to point out that WD is neither my lapdog or my friend. Nothing against the guy, but I don't play with him or talk to him that often. We're more acquaintances than anything, and we have argued plenty. But sure, insult him as well. It really adds that extra something to your post.:facepalm

I really do find this hilarious. I know generally "Lol" doesn't translate to "laugh out loud" anymore, but this did make me chuckle openly for a moment.

Because it's the same ridiculous thing you said earlier. I can play him well, just not in a real game. Ok, sure. For the "gimmicky" statement, see below.

See now this is a sensible statement. Viktor support is gimmicky because people don't know to expect the burst or stun. That surprise element allows for an early kill which leads to a snowballed lane. Same thing with AD Sona, that super powered Q+passive burst gives an early lead that the enemy struggles to recover from.

Gimmicky in league is something like beta shaco who could take red buff at level 1 (when WW was the only jungle) and deal 90% of your hp with a fort elixir in one hit before minions arrived in mid, guaranteeing a first blood and a snowballed game. Gimmicky is beta-ashe using full crit damage marks to first blood you with volley+crit before minions got to lane. Gimmicky is something like an old-school shaco box-bush that you lure a hapless noob into. Gimmicky is like original rengar trying to first blood someone with a dorans, pure ad runes, and building up ferocity on golems. Gimmicky is something like stacking stealthfires, zilean+twitch/eve, or my maokai first blood strategy.

The argument could even be made that lane Yorick is a gimmick, although a lot of that gimmick is dead now. At release, his 'gimmick' was his faceroll top lane capability.

But why exactly is jungle yorick a gimmick? He doesn't have significant cc, damage, burst, mobility, utility, clear time, tankiness, or anything. There's no "gimmick" you can use that will make him a better jungler in some situation or something, he's just always a poor jungle pick. The gimmick to Yorick is that he's inferior in every way, so the enemy is just too shocked to react. That's nunu-bot level logic there: I'll surprise them with my decision!

Ok? Again, I only brought the laning Yorick into the jungle Yorick discussion as a means of showing that Yorick needs farm to even have minor relevance to the game, and taking him to the jungle and crippling that farm is silly when he can't do anything there. As someone mentioned, it's somewhat like taking Nasus there, except Nasus is still tanky through his ult, still relevant by withering the enemy ADC, and still provides a heap of damage with a poorly farmed Q and % based ult damage.

Either way, I really don't have an issue with Yorick top. If someone actually wants to play him in a game with me, I don't quit or get angry with them. It's when people started picking him as a "funny joke" every single game after the discussion arose that I took issue with it. Playing a shitty champ just to troll me isn't something I don't particularly care to deal with, especially when some players already have difficulty pulling their heads from their asses (*cough*shezza*cough*) when I carry them. So I told them to pick a different champ (forcefully, with threats of AFK). Despite the threats though, I still wouldn't AFK or troll back. I just didn't see the sense of dealing with a weak team for a stupid reason like that.

Wouldn't say that anyone wins this one, but I've got time to kill and your smarmy little responses offered less of a rebuttal than my new nephew could put together (because I don't think I made that completely clear, I'm insinuating that his shit-filled diapers would have more substance with logical merit than your posts).

Cheers. Acceptance is the first step.:awesome

Relevant to the thread at large, I play Naut, Mao, and rarely fizz if there's an odd team comp where he fits in. I also played Vi and Xin because they were mindnumbingly easy to play, but I haven't had a chance to try them since the most recent nerfs.

 

Churchey what do you build on jungle Fizz? I've been trying out a bunch of AP junglers and the ones that have worked best are Fizz, Brand, Ryze and Anivia, but I can't figure out if I should build a more utility or just damage on Fizz.

Besides them I have also been playing a ton of Trundle, Maokai, Skarner, Nocturne and Cho since they're all so dominant. That and it doesn't hurt that people have no clue what to do against them since they aren't played much anymore.