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Dresden's Dilemma Take Two.

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Riley, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

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    Whatever scum there are are in this list:

    Castiel
    Zennith
    Typhon
    Jibril
    Rents
    NobelFiction

    Discuss this theory.
     
  2. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Hai guys! I'm replacing NobelFiction. He's not scum, nor am I!

    Been reading the thread. I agree with Zennith giving off a scummy vibe. Things like:
    Do seem a little like a scum trying to play himself off as too important of a townie to kill. On the other hand it would be bad to kill him off if he's actually on our side (obviously). But yeah, suspicious.

    I didn't get a super scummy vibe from Castiel, but I was reading through pretty quickly.

    Up in the air about my opinions on Jibril. Need to read more carefully. The others didn't make a huge impression.
     
  3. Moridin

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    Honestly, I'm not too sure about Rubicon, but I suppose we should get an answer on that front tomorrow. Jibril could well be scum playing us all (and I certainly won't stop considering it), but at this point I'm inclined to accept his claim. Typhon similarly seems relatively pro-town to me, but not enough to justify marking him down as non-scum.

    Beyond that, I'm sorry CheddarTrek (and welcome to the game!), but I'm going to have to put off clearing you just yet. NobelFiction hasn't posted enough to justify anything but wariness. So could you please read through and give your impressions on the others, especially in connection to Fontisian or Zennith?

    The only person I'd credibly be willing to write off as town is... actually, I'm not sure there's anyone I wouldn't suspect. Certain players like Bill Door, Typhon, Sesc and Aekiel seem pro-town to me, but at this stage in the game I'd much rather be cautious, especially since both the days we've had so far have been more or less focused on a single issue, and as such aren't nearly as fruitful in terms of readability.

    That said, it's not particularly helpful to say "I SUSPECT EVERYONE", so I'll be going through the thread again, especially day one, keeping in mind that either Fontisian or Zennith is scum, and I'll post back with something more concrete.

    Also, I could have sworn it was night. <_<
     
  4. Riley

    Riley Alchemist DLP Supporter

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    It's called Twilight, it lasts between the lynch time the night period, allows a little after lynch talk. ususally it's included in games with role-reveal on death to allow players to discuss the results of the lynch and what to do next. In this game I included it because I felt with how little extra talk there was I'd add time in the day for people to respond a bit more.
     
  5. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Well, I gave some brief thoughts on Zennith in my previous post. He's giving off a scummy vibe in general. Roleclaiming as he did is iffy and his comments sound like a scum trying to pose as an important townie to protect himself. And so on. Yet if he's telling the truth we'd be in trouble. I lean towards scum, since Jibril is lying otherwise and seems slightly more legit.

    That said I've only quickly read through things.

    Fontisian? Initially I was leaning towards town with his comments and tips on how Marcone should be played in defense of town. I don't see any reason for him to offer those if he was scum, and if he was trying to allay suspicions it seems a roundabout way to do it.

    On the other hand the whole flavor text thing is very suspicious. Did he lie about being visited? Lots of things indicate him being scum. However one of the strongest voices against him was Zennith, and he's suspicious too.

    I'd say it's likely they're on different sides but which is town I can't say for sure -- I lean towards Zennith being scum, but he's also riskier to kill if he isn't.

    Blargh.
     
  6. Riley

    Riley Alchemist DLP Supporter

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    ]I'm ending day a little early since I will be busy for a while. Night phase starts in 15 min. Please don not post adlfte that time.

    ---------- Post automerged 03-10-2013 at 07:24 PM ---------- Previous post was 03-09-2013 at 06:44 PM ----------

    Night 2 has ended

    There was a shrill cry in the night. The town awoke to the sound of death and murder. BillDoor lies in cold blood, dead as a door nail. However there was a trail of blood also leading away from the group. Did someone else die in the night, no one remembers anybody else being there. Today will be a tense day.

    LiveList:

    1. Castiel
    2. Zennith
    3. Moridin
    4. CheddarTrek
    5. Rubicon
    6. Jibril
    7. LochNess
    8. Sesc
    9. Rents
    10. Aekiel
    11. Typhon
    With 11 alive, you need 6 to lynch.

    Day 2 has begun
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2013
  7. Jibril

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    I completely dropped the ball on this one - I forgot about the time difference and did not check anyone. But, I also did not get any nightly visit so, Zennith's story checks so far.
     
  8. Rubicon

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    I'm very confused. How is fontisian alive?
     
  9. fontisian

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    Riley forgot to remove my name from the livelist. I'm dead.
     
  10. Jibril

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    Right now, you're more like an undead ;)
     
  11. Rubicon

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    Jibril, what do you mean by "Zennith's story checks out so far"?

    ---------- Post automerged at 06:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:10 PM ----------

    Anyway:

    Lynch: Zennith

    I think we can safely assume Zennith was targeted during the night. Since he didn't die, and Bill Door did instead, it seems very likely that Zennith is White Court.

    (There is the question of why Bill Door didn't mention being visited during the night yesterday; but since the two courts alternate priority each night, it's possible the White Court tainted Bill Door before Zennith was killed.)
     
  12. Riley

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    Yeah, sorry about that, I've removed Fontisian, I copied an old live list and completely forgot. I've edited the post to show the correct information.
     
  13. Sesc

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    Uhh. What. So we have no new check and Zennith didn't die? Just fantastic :s

    Rubicon, the other half of the scenario is that RC is either derpy!Mafia or had other plans and directly killed BillDoor. He did post that list yesterday. What I want to know before I do anything is who was visited tonight, and what's the deal with Jibril :|
     
  14. Moridin

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    The way I see it,

    a) The Red Court attacked Zennith, but he managed to taint Bill Door first and so Bill Door died.

    b) The Red Court attacked Bill Door, as
    i) Zennith is Red Court.
    ii) they were not sure if Zennith was Dresden or not, and didn't want to risk a possible missed kill if he protected himself.

    So yeah, Zennith's story doesn't check out.

    That said, we can eliminate a) if someone still alive was tainted tonight. If nobody was, it's likely Bill Door was tainted/killed - though that admittedly doesn't make a) a certainty, it does increase its chances.
     
  15. Zennith

    Zennith Pebble Wrestler ~ Prestige ~

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    I don't know what to tell you - I did my end of the deal and protected Jibril. Didn't expect to be alive on this day.

    ---------- Post automerged at 11:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:31 PM ----------


    Also, they may have just not bothered with me, knowing that I'm gonna get lynched today - why waste a kill? I protected jibril, and I'm pretty pissed we got nothing out of it.
     
  16. Moridin

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    What I'm finding interesting is 'trail of blood leading away from the group', which looks like it might be lending credence to a) (the White King being injured in the attack, or some such).

    Riley, are you able to post any clarifications to that effect?
     
  17. Ched

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    I'd assumed that was just flavor text, but could be wrong.

    Maybe I'm missing something, having just come into the game and being somewhat of a n00b anyway, but did we learn much from this? Seems like Zennith's role is still unclear, I don't recall much about BillDoor's allegiances/my assumptions either way, and so on.

    I'm still suspicious but then Rubicon jumped on the lynching Zennith bandwagon really damn quick. I guess it's a viable strat though -- I'll probably go with the crowd on that one, once I see everyone elses opinions.
     
  18. Castiel

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    I am pretty much 100% sure now Zennith is scum, and most probably White Court from the flavor. Molly checked him as non-human. (and seriously if Jibril was fake!molly, the real one would have come forward by now) I did not like how we lynched fontisian yesterday even though we had Zennith all but confirmed as scum, and I am not going to make this mistake again.

    And for those who might have missed it, see post #172. Zennith story doesn't check out.

    The only defenses he has offered are "I am Dresden", which we can not check and this,

    When flavor was his argument of having us lynch fontisian.

    So yeah,

    Lynch: Zennith

    Also, Jibril: What the fuck is wrong with you? Just put the check in in the day if you won't have time to do so in night. :\
     
  19. Typhon

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    So, umm... Shit. The flavor is implying that a pawn took a hit, I think; maybe Bill Door was just tainted, but I thought he was a little suspicious. I especially didn't like his "list of scum", and not just because I was on it. Umbrella statements like that tend to make people focus on them, and ignore the other people out there. It felt like a scum tactic to me.

    That said, Bill Door's death could just as easily be an attempt to save somebody his list. There's no real way of knowing. That said, I think I'm in agreement with the others: as distasteful as it is to kill someone who has come forward as a Dresden claimant, I'm gonna tentatively say Zennith has my vote. Too early to actually cast it, though. I'm curious to get a little better read on everybody when I get some time, but that won't bet for another 15 hours or so, so this is mostly just a post saying I'm still around.
     
  20. Ched

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    This is a good point.

    Is there any reason why Molly wouldn't have come forward by this point if Jibril was faking?