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Dresden's Dilemma Take Two.

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Riley, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    He means, how was it expected that Jibril would die, given that you thought Zennith was scum.


    Riley, are you going to replace LochNess?

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    I was not visited, btw.
     
  2. Riley

    Riley Alchemist DLP Supporter

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    I've PMed LochNess and given them an ultimatum. I will let you know what happens regarding that. That being said, carry on.
     
  3. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Er. I don't understand how this isn't clear, but let's see.

    First of all, damn near everyone thought there was a good chance Zennith was scum. I said straight out that I wasn't sure but that given his attitude it was likely. However I did think it likely that Jibril was not scum, and really was Molly.

    I wasn't convinced that Zennith was lying, but I saw no better choices on to vote for. I don't really regret that.

    Either way though, with a potential Dresden out of the way, I'd expect scum to naturally try to kill off Molly. Therefore it's not a surprise that it happened.

    Even if Zennith hadn't been Dresden I'd still have expected scum to have a go at Jibril on the off-chance that the real Dresden is either already dead or (for some reason) chose to protect someone else.
     
  4. Aekiel

    Aekiel Angle of Mispeling ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    I got visited last night. Same fluff as before about some shadow getting chased away by another shadow.
     
  5. Sesc

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    Hrm. So the White Court(s) are/is still alive. Maybe they derped their night action just like jibril did, or maybe LochNess was visited, or maybe someone was lying. But yeah, it doesn't matter, I guess.

    What matters is that either fontisian or Zennith was lying, and we got one vampire for sure. Though if Zennith actually was the Dresden, I can't figure out why on earth they'd counterclaim; it was obvious they could eat a lynch for that.

    Maybe there's a different explanation. Maybe Stojil was the Dresden, and there was no protection for jibril all along. Mafia somehow guessed this, and when jibril revealed that Zennith wasn't human, they tried this gambit as a last resort, to save Zennith. That makes marginally more sense, perhaps :?
     
  6. Rubicon

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    Dresden's action happens before the courts', doesn't it? So Jibril would still have been protected N1.

    Aekiel's post makes me update my reads significantly toward Zennith being Dresden. I don't regret lynching him, though, it was still the best option at the time.

    I need to think about this more, but I'm guessing either LochNess was targeted yesterday, one of the Red Court were targeted and decided to keep quiet, or the White King derped and didn't submit anything.
     
  7. Typhon

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    Hmm. I was afraid that he might've been, but the potential for Zennith to be scum and slaughter us while we kept him alive was pretty huge. No other options, really.

    I think the most likely scenario (assuming LochNess wasn't visited, which would clearly change everything) is that both courts hit Bill Door. That would explain the strange flavor and the one visit - I think it's pretty unlikely that the leader of a scum faction just forgot. It's far from impossible (see Jibril :/), but that seems more likely.

    If Sesc was right and Stojil was the Dresden (which, honestly, I think I probably at least possible, if not kinda likely), then we've gotten 2 vamps guaranteed, although for that to be the case they'd clearly have to be from different courts. I think Aekiel is on level, at least tentatively. I'm still not sure what to think about the rest, although I have a (completely unfounded) decent feeling about Cheddar as well.

    Scum or otherwise, Rents and LochNess /never/ posting is becoming a serious liability. If something doesn't happen, one of them (probably Rents, because he's relatively quick to post if mentioned by name but silent otherwise; LochNess didn't feel scummy, just clearly not interested in playing) will get my vote for today.
     
  8. Another Empty Frame

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    I've not been as active as usual, this is true. I mainly reply when I'm asked questions or am mentioned, this is also true. this is mostly due to only being on DLP once a day though due to IRL stuff (work, school, other things) so I have a legitimate reason. I'm going to be more active through the end just due to solving some issues today so I have more time for mafia.

    I think voting for a nonresponsive player isn't very nice so I think I'll Lynch: Rubicon instead since he has seemed the most vampirish to me through out the whole game. My guess is Red though, pretty sure font and Ched are white. And no I have no real basis, but my bizarre guesses are usually in the proper general direction.

    Oh and I think the other Red was/is Nessie, but she hasn't said anything so far so eh.

    again, total shots in the dark here but I tend to be a decent blind-fire-er
     
  9. Moridin

    Moridin Minister of Magic DLP Supporter

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    Honestly, I'd rather have LochNess replaced, if possible, rather than voted out. Inactivity can be a sign of scum, but it can also be a sign of RL commitments or problems, and I'd rather get reads on someone who's here and make my decision based on that.

    Unfortunately, we lost at least one town last night, possibly two, both Dresden and Molly. To make things worse, neither of them gave any concrete reads to give us any ideas.

    As things stand now, I'm not particularly happy with CheddarTrek. Cheddar, forgot to put this out there earlier, but this isn't what I asked. I was looking for reads on all the other players in connection to Fontisian or Zennith, at least one of whom is scum. Focus on links to Fontisian, since Aekiel's post bears out Zennith's version of the flavour (especially since I find Aekiel to be more or less town - you may have a different interpretation, and if so adjust your focus accordingly).

    Rents, please try to come up with a more appropriate justification than 'bizarre guesses'. That's not helpful to anybody.

    Castiel, what's your opinion on Bill Door's list of names given their posts in the interim?

    Personally, I'm still okay with Typhon, I'm somewhat coming to the conclusion that Zennith was the Dresden after all (though, again, we didn't really have a choice and he certainly didn't make it easy to believe him), and Jibril was a trueclaim. Now that the Rubicon check isn't going to materialise, I'm going to be keeping a closer eye on him (though he has cleaned up his posting recently, that's still not indicative of towniness). Castiel has been okay since Day 1, not nearly as much discussion from him outside of the Zennith issue. Rents needs to, if he can't be more active, make his posts count for more than 'blind fire'.

    Sesc and Aekiel seem townish to me, and for the love of everything Riley get either LochNess or a replacement in here asap, please.

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    Honestly, I'd rather have LochNess replaced, if possible, rather than voted out. Inactivity can be a sign of scum, but it can also be a sign of RL commitments or problems, and I'd rather get reads on someone who's here and make my decision based on that.

    Unfortunately, we lost at least one town last night, possibly two, both Dresden and Molly. To make things worse, neither of them gave any concrete reads to give us any ideas.

    As things stand now, I'm not particularly happy with CheddarTrek. Cheddar, forgot to put this out there earlier, but this isn't what I asked. I was looking for reads on all the other players in connection to Fontisian or Zennith, at least one of whom is scum. Focus on links to Fontisian, since Aekiel's post bears out Zennith's version of the flavour (especially since I find Aekiel to be more or less town - you may have a different interpretation, and if so adjust your focus accordingly).

    Rents, please try to come up with a more appropriate justification than 'bizarre guesses'. That's not helpful to anybody.

    Castiel, what's your opinion on Bill Door's list of names given their posts in the interim?

    Personally, I'm still okay with Typhon, I'm somewhat coming to the conclusion that Zennith was the Dresden after all (though, again, we didn't really have a choice and he certainly didn't make it easy to believe him), and Jibril was a trueclaim. Now that the Rubicon check isn't going to materialise, I'm going to be keeping a closer eye on him (though he has cleaned up his posting recently, that's still not indicative of towniness). Castiel has been okay since Day 1, not nearly as much discussion from him outside of the Zennith issue. Rents needs to, if he can't be more active, make his posts count for more than 'blind fire'.

    Sesc and Aekiel seem townish to me, and for the love of everything Riley get either LochNess or a replacement in here asap, please.

    ---------- Post automerged at 12:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:33 PM ----------

    ... not entirely sure how that happened.
     
  10. Castiel

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    First off, sorry for not posting much, I was busy with another game (Survivor DLP) but the challenge is mostly done now.

    Let's see.

    Castiel
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    Typhon
    Jibril
    Rents
    NobelFiction

    I know I am town. Logic says Zennith and Jibril were town.

    Assuming Bill Door was shot because of this list, one or more of Typhon, Rents or Cheddar (Nobelfiction) is/are scum.

    Rents doesn't exactly come off as scum, just weird, I don't know if that is good or bad.

    I have been getting a solid town feeling from Typhon so far.

    Cheddar, I don't have a good read on.

    Riley, can we get a little extension in the day due to inactivity? We are nowhere near an acceptable lynch target.
     
  11. Aekiel

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    My scum list is currently:

    Rents - His posts have been off, for what little he's posted. Can't point to anything specific though.

    CheddarTrek - Her post immediately after Jibril's death pinged really heavily on my scumdar, along with a couple of other, minor things.

    Sesc - Only scum if Zennith was town, which I give a 50/50 chance now.

    If I had to vote for one right now it would probably be CheddarTrek. So I will.

    Lynch: CheddarTrek
     
  12. Rubicon

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    Moridin's latest post is interesting.

    Question for everyone: What do you think of Moridin? What do you think of Typhon?

    Moridin, could you explain why you think Typhon is town? You've mentioned him exactly twice during this game, the first time just to say he seemed town and then later that you were "still okay" with him (but without any reasoning).

    Typhon, what do you think of Moridin?
     
  13. Ched

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    Yeah, frankly I just didn't understand your question earlier. I'll try to go back through later and look for all of the references made by everyone else in relation to Zennith and Fontisian, but tbh that's a lot of work. If I just give impressions without finding/analyzing quotes I'll be stuck in the category where I'm just tossing out ideas without anything to back it up.

    So blarghs! I shall endeavor to do better though. At present my notes (copy/pasted from my QT) are more or less this: Aekiel/Castiel guessing town. LochNess been quiet, prefer not lynch. Sesc I think I am suspicious of. Moridin I'm on the fence with.

    I'll add to that that I have a vaguely decent feeling about Typhon/Rubicon as well. If I had to pick someone right now to lynch it would probably be Rents.

    Aekiel, you wound me. </3

    For the record though, just in case I do get lynched, I am a vanilla mortal. So at least you aren't killing someone super important, though if Dresden/Molly really are dead then town is already without most of its assets. I'd prefer we lynched scum instead, though better me than Dresden/Molly if they happen to still be alive (highly doubtful).

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    btw Aekiel -- why did that post ping on the scum radar? Someone else mentioned it earlier IIRC, but I'm missing why it was suspicious.
     
  14. Aekiel

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    A bit of WINE and a bit of 'this reads like scum trying to appear town but barely restraining glee' (I fall for that one a lot when I'm scum).
     
  15. Ched

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    Google does not inform me of an applicable acronym for WINE in this situation.

    I think I get the idea though, thanks. :p
     
  16. Aekiel

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    Blame Stojil (or Eido). One of them introduced the term. WINE refers to Wine In Front of Me, from the Princess Bride (Youtube it).
     
  17. Typhon

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    Moridin has seemed pretty town-ish to me so far. Honestly, along with Aekiel and /maybe/ Sesc, I'm getting more of a town feel than scum.

    That said, chances are high that one of them could well be scum, in which case I'd say that Sesc is most suspicious, then Moridin, then Aekiel, the justification behind that being that Sesc was trying a bit /too/ hard to vilify Zennith (in my opinion), and Aekiel is a replacement, which means the original player dropped out. Not exactly ironclad, but it's all I have for a deciding factor between him and Moridin.

    On the subject of Bill Door's list, I'm not entirely sure that correct guesses have anything to do with why he died. In fact, it could be the opposite; if I were a scum court and a list like that was posted with none of my members on it, I'd have done my best to kill them instantly so it looked like I was afraid. Now, it might've been more straightforward than that, but I'm wary for using the list as a pattern for lynching.

    Since I'm making a giant post anyways, I'll go on to say that I feel a bit better about Castiel and Rubicon than I did, but I'm still wary of them, particularly Rubicon. He was another major player in the Zennith witch hunt (admittedly, I felt the necessity too), and he rubbed me wrong earlier. Both of them ear watching, I think.

    I felt better about Cheddar until these last few posts; I could justify lynching her this round too, I think. Her or Rents, who I might just be being irrational about, but is being neither very helpful nor allaying my suspicions.


    Meh. More posting, people.
     
  18. Another Empty Frame

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    meh I'm in favor of lynching Ched, once Rubicon is gone, but I'm apparently weird and suspicious... which is different from usual how? Anyways, I've got my lynch where it's going.
     
  19. Ched

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    Well, because I'm going to visit my parents and may or may not be back online (I probably will, but who knows)... I'm gonna go ahead and toss a vote out there.

    I'm willing to be convinced to change it. I am not convinced that Rents is scum, I just don't see a better choice, so if you guys decide to try and lynch someone else I may jump on the bandwagon with you (unless I have a strong town!vibe that disagrees with you).

    Lynch: Rents
     
  20. Riley

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    You have had 48 hours. No lynch.

    Night phases begins