Personally I'm looking forward to the fight because they shouldn't have any of the absurd abilities, would be a nice break from the power creep that's defined part two to see them fighting like more like ninja.

I mean just look at that last page. Swords! Kunai even.

 

Hmm...

You think maybe both the fathers die here and it's left to the young sons to try to lead their clans and deal with the fallout and the prejudices? That would be an easy way to start driving a wedge between Madara and Hashirama.

 

I think the wedge is going to come from them being forced to fight each other next chapter to protect their brothers.

 

That's what I'm thinking, yes. I wouldn't be suprised if the situation devolves enough that they end up killing their own fathers. Or at least Madara ends up killing his.

 

Yeah, he and Izuna have to get their Mangekyou Sharingan somehow.

 

Wide off topic, but this has been bugging me and I can't remember if a reason was provided for it: Why didnt Jiraiya have Ma or Pa reverse summon him away from his fight with Pein when it became clear he wasn't going to win?

 

He stayed to confirm that the real body wasn't really there.

 

He was trying to figure out the secret behind the Six Paths (Nagato wasn't one of them) because he felt it was the key to defeating them. But he didn't realise it until right before his throat was crushed.

 

New chapter is out. It has shows more of the history between the Uchiha and Senju. At least historically, the Uchiha were inferior to the Senju. Hashirama is such a bad ass. Did the second hokage use the precursor to hiraishin? I just thought the ending was so lame.

 

Firstly, Chapter. Secondly, mark spoilers for those that haven't read yet, man.

Spoiler

Given what Madara just proposed, I wonder if this is why Tobirama created the Impure World Resurrection technique - a loophole to get around Madara's horseshit request? Though I doubt he or Hashirama would agree to it. More likely, I think it might have been to bring back Izuna to try and even things up, if begrudgingly done.

 

It read "HiraishinGiri". I think it was more of a fast sword technique than any precursor to the Hiraishin of the Fourth Hokage, which was a Space-Time Technique. But I'll wait for the Mangastream translation before I jump to any conclusion.

And this is all pretty Okay stuff. What I can't wait for is the Naruto-Hashirama meetup.

 

We know Tobirama had a space-time jutsu, so Hiraishingiri probably was it. It just seemed like a Shunshin + sword strike, though, which is pretty cool in itself, I guess. It leaves me wondering what part of it involves space-time manipulation, though. Also, it would have been nice to see some water jutsu from Tobirama in these flashbacks, since he was supposedly one of the best Suiton users ever. Oh well.

 

New Naruto.

 

Well that was weird. Acceptable progression of events, peace seems to be slowly being achieved, save for some minor clan politics, then WHAM! Madara turns evil out of nowhere.

 

I can more or less follow Madara's path. It's understandable, considering the kind of person Madara is.

It certainly makes more sense than Sasuke's, anyhow.

 

Inclined to agree. The turn to evil comes after he gets snubbed for the Hokage position, and it's made clear (at least in his mind) that he and the Uchiha are never going to get the top spot. The "cooperation" between the two clans is really just another way for the Senju to subjugate the Uchiha.

Madara's just way too ambitious to be okay with being permanently stuck in second place.

 

Wait,I thought that the election of the Hokage was democratic meaning that the Uchiha did infact vote for Hashirama. The only thing I gleaned from this chapter is that he is mad because he's basically lost control of the Uchiha.

 

Madara was upset that he had lost control of the Uchiha, there was that comment about how they weren't their Father's. That basically meant to me at least that their days of absolute rule were over.
Madara's upset because they're listening to the Senju, the people they were fighting a decade ago, it's less about Madara losing face than the fact that his brother's died for nothing because his family/ house, whatever still lost control of the clan.

 

It's also because he knows that his and Hashirama's dream is never going to become true reality, rather it is going to be peace at the cost of the Uchiha, because he knows that they will always be, at best, second class citizens since Tobirama, and other people like him, will be either in power or influence things enough to have it their way. He knows that Tobirama thinks that Uchiha are evil and whatnot and should be purged and that he will never have enough say in this to change this. Even with the Hokage supporting him, in this new system, too many people are against his family and his family doesn't even realize this or trust him enough.

In essence, it is really the self-fulfilling prophecy scenario. Tobirama thinks the Uchiha and Madara are evil and treats them as if they were evil, talks to them like they were evil and so on and in the end, after being treated like a criminal, Madara finally becomes one, losing faith in their dream, in his own family and finally says "fuck it, at least I am going to do what I like, fighting. and you are my only equal, so, I want to fight you"

Guess it is the same thing with the Uchiha clan. They supported the village and the senju since day one of the inception of the village, worked for it, sacrificed, bled for it, died for it and after what, 50-80 years, and people like Tobirama and Danzou and who else still treat Uchiha as if they were going to snap at any second. That's at least 50 years or doing the same as every one else working for the village and being treated with suspicion and contempt for it by its leadership. Think one can understand why they finally snapped, especially with Danzo manipulating things since he has this raging boner for the Sharingan and wants them more than Orochimaru did.

I mean, Sandaime is a reasonable man, Fugaku was shown as a reasonable man, you can't tell me that those two people, with so much influence over their respective factions, couldn't work things out. So, Danzo pushes things, manipulates Itachi and Shisui (and man, ruined the whole root thing his character) into doing absolutely retarded shit (yeah, not telling anyone about Tobi/Madara makes no fucking sense) and yeah, we have the Uchiha Massacre.

At least that is what I took from this.