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Plot Bunny Threa(t/d) III

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Dark Minion, Feb 14, 2012.

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  1. Warlocke

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    Zeus? :confused:

    Bit of an odd choice, that.
     
  2. MonkeyEpoxy

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    I could get so behind a cult following the Greek pantheon or Egyptian deities, but man I don't think a story about a dude proselytizing can be a good read.
     
  3. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    I lol'd. But yeah, Zeus is just an example.
    Are you implying the crusades can't be interesting? But in any case, nobody is saying that Harry would convert people the nice way. There are Memory Charms, Unbreakable Vows, the Imperius curse and all other fun tricks and games magic can offer.
     
  4. R. Daneel Olivaw

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    Cult behavior, including recruiting is really intetesting. And if Harry is a true believer it would be interesting to see who jumps in on it.
     
  5. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    When I was still writing the plot bunny, I considered making it an AU where Gilderoy Lockhart is not only a competent wizard, but also actually did all the things from his books. He'd be like a 'superhero' in the magical world. Why am I mentioning this? Because in this scenario, he'd be the DADA teacher in Harry's first year and the main antagonist: he'd try to prevent anyone from joining Potter's cult.

    I also had some other weird ideas, like Barty Crouch Jr. escaping his father much earlier and finding Voldemort in Albania. The two would eventually travel to Britain, where Barty would kidnap Filch and use polyjuice to pose as him. All of of course done to get the Philosopher's stone (they know about it from Quirell who was captured in Albania and gave them the info).
     
  6. R. Daneel Olivaw

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    I had the opposite idea about Lockhart. In my mind he would make the perfect Tom Cruise of Potter's cult. :)
     
  7. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    Not a bad idea either. He could really help Harry's cause. And by siding with the Boy-Who-Lived, Lockhart's fame could really rise, he'd do it even if he doesn't believe in the thing.
     
  8. R. Daneel Olivaw

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    Yes, and while Harry could be trying to preach his religion with all sincerity and insanity, Lockhart could be the man behind the scenes using Blackmail and Obliviation.

    And then Lucius Malfoy gets in on the act. Forces Draco to play along as a "convert"....
     
  9. Andrela

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    I could see Malfoy wanting to get a piece of the cultist cake. Followers are followers, regardless why. Making Draco play along would be something he'd do probably. Of course with the intention of eventually taking over.
     
  10. Thaumologist

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    Making Draco play along, but not telling Draco that he himself doesn't believe. Lucius tells Draco about the gift of Arthagazul, and how it "awakens the deep magicks", or whatever, thinking of it purely as a way to gain power, followers, and gold.

    So Draco goes into the cult honestly believing in Arthagazul, and his faith is tangibly rewarded.
     
  11. Dr_Orpheus

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    A believer Draco might eventually turn on Lucius the opportunist herectic.

    ---------- Post automerged at 06:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:29 AM ----------

    If this cult's main deity was named Merlin, it would appeal more to wizards. It is possible one of the religion's founders could have a squib for a distant ancestor and has heard some garbled family legends involving the wizarding world.

    Perhaps, the adopted parents saw Harry performing accidental magic at the orphanage and believed he was blessed by the god(s). The parent with the squid ancestor might have a limited seer ability and this ability lead them to the orphanage looking for a special child. Harry would love guardians who saw his freakishness as a good thing.

    Some wizards might see Harry's survival of the killing curse as the result of divine intervention.

    Some religions use lots of bizarre lingo. Scientology is rather notorious for that.
     
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  12. R. Daneel Olivaw

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    I was thinking of Malfoy going into it playing a role, but then coming to believe it. In a moment when Lucius is in a political/legal bind he turns control of the Malfoy fortune to his son--only for his son to give all they have to the cult. :p
     
  13. Andrela

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    Ah sweet irony :awesome

    Here's a rough sketch of how I'd see it:

    Dumbledore arrives to give Harry his letter and is surprised at all the cult stuff. Still, being tolerant and figuring that this is all harmless, he ignores it and brings Harry to Diagon Alley. Lockhart is there and Harry, seeing an opportunity, tells the man about his beliefs. Gilderoy is intrigued and promises to Potter to look into it at Hogwarts (cue Lockhart making his big reveal about the new position).

    Lucius is in the book store too and hears everything. He approaches Harry and questions him about all this cult stuff. Smelling a business opportunity, he asks for more information and Harry gives him one of the cultist books. Malfoy leaves.

    Some time later, Lucius (having read the book) lies to Draco about the cult, telling him that it can make his magic stronger and that it was probably the reason why Potter survived the Killing Curse. He makes his son read the book as well and then make friends with Harry at Hogwarts.

    I'd say that the sorting goes a little differently. Harry is obviously a changed person, having been raised by different people. He has a big ambition, converting everyone, which causes him to be sorted to Slytherin. This is a good direction for the story, because it will make it harder for him to preach his cultist beliefs. Additionally, Draco has now access to the Boy-Who-Lived.
     
  14. R. Daneel Olivaw

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    Here's a story idea I'll throw out there, but it would take a good crack writer who can also do epic fantasy to pull off:

    Harry Potter/Naruto Crossover in a blended AU (would obviously go in The Alternates). Naruto is the child of prophesy--both of them. Kushina=Lily, Minato=James, and Naruto=Harry. Other characters may either be amalgams or brought over.

    NOT
    a "Dumbledore hires Konoha ninja" or "Harry is Sasuke/Naruto's lost brother" story.


    Chief difference: Instead of Voldemort's killing curse rebounding and destroying him, Naruto's parents sacrificed their lives to power a spell that sealed the Dark Lord into their 1 year old child. Instead of the famous Boy-Who-Lived, Naruto is the infamous "brat whose got the soul of the accursed Dark Lord in him."

    Setting: Hogwarts Military School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. In this world there is no "Statue of Secrecy", Muggles and Magicals have been living in a symbiotic relationship for a long time. Magicals are quite rare, and highly prized by society, although there are segments of society that resent and hate magical people (like the Dursleys, cough). There are a number of magical schools around the world that teach different professions, but Hogwarts is the finest Magical Military Academy in Europe, and perhaps the world. Hogwarts produces witches and wizards who tend to go on to be soldiers, aurors, private investigators, mercenaries, etc.--all employed through the Ministry of Magic.

    As part of their training, witches and wizards accepted into Hogwarts are hired out to perform minor magical work in and around the local area, generally in Hogsmeade, although, upper-year students and some exceptional younger students may be sent to more distant areas. As such, they are divided into teams and assigned a supervisor-- A TA for the simplest jobs, but a full professor for any job where there may be danger.

    Konoha- Was the secret sister school for Hogwarts located in a magically hidden group of islands near Japan. It was where elite special agents and assassins were trained to carry out the sort of missions that big governments, and sometimes big corporations would sometimes pay for. I'm using past tense because Konoha, along with all the other hidden villages, was destroyed by the Dark Lord, his "apprentice" and an elite force of powerful wizards backed by Voldemort's considerably less skilled Death Eaters.

    Magic vs. Jutsu- It's the same thing. In Konoha, students had their wands taken from them and were trained to bring out their magic through the use of magical handsigns, which approximate runes. While this is much slower, less powerful, and more taxing, it helps build a person's magical capacity. In Hogwarts they mostly teach wanded magic, but with the extra staff joining them from Konoha, some handsign based classes will be offered, and some trainers will insist their students learn some. Despite this, anything that can be done with handseals can be done easier with a wand--if you know the incantation. (So this means, yes, there is a Grand Fireball spell, and Chidori spell.)

    Martial Arts- Konoha students were trained in martial arts to the point that they are deadly in hand-to-hand, but in this story magic trumps taijutsu. Hogwarts students are trained to get good position for attacks, but not how to fight hand-to-hand, until their Konoha instructors arrive.

    Naruto/Harry has a problem remembering complex words and names. Like, the names of spells. He has a tendency to mix them up--with hilarious results. He is not incompetent at magic, but he struggles at first as nobody wants to help the pariah. However, when threatened with imminent death, or feeling extreme anger, he can channel the power of the Dark Lord Voldemort. Channeling too much, and the Dark Lord can take over for a time.

    The students from Konoha who survived join the Hogwarts students. Konoha students are generally superior to their Hogwarts counterparts, but are unfamiliar with wanded magic, giving Hogwarts students an advantage until they catch up. Konoha students are, however, brutal by Hogwarts standards and that is a source of friction.

    Training teams: Unlike in Naruto where teams are assigned on a permanent basis, training teams here are flexible. Assignments are given as practical teaching exercises.

    A few more tidbits:
    There is a new Dark Lord. Voldemort's former apprentice: Orochimaru.
    Dumbledore and Hiruzen Sarutobi are old friends and magical equals.
    The Akatsuki have different goals.
    Sharingan eye magic only has 3 powers: illusion, copying what it can see (good for mastering hand signs and wand work, but doesn't help with incantations), and predicting the next attack.
    The sharingan also protects against other eye magic...like basilisk stares.
    The Byakugan gives near perfect 360 eyesight, but is vulnerable to basilisk stares (but only turned to stone unless there's a direct line of sight)
     
  15. Andrela

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    That's actually pretty creative. With some polishing it could turn out to be a great story. I wonder: if it is public knowledge that Harry/Naruto has the soul of the Dark Lord inside him, what to Death Eaters think of him? Do they want him dead, do they want him to join them?
     
  16. R. Daneel Olivaw

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    Depends on if they remain loyal to Voldemort or have switched allegiance to Orochimaru. Naruto would definitely be the darling of Bellatrix and Barty Crouch Jr., but the rest of them would depend.
     
  17. Andrela

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    Pretty important thing, though. I'm not sure who said it, perhaps Taure, but if you're making a HP fic, it is crucial to have the main character be named Harry Potter. He can be as OOC as you want, as long as he's named Harry Potter. So even if you merge him with Naruto, his original name should remain.
     
  18. R. Daneel Olivaw

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    Yes, I agree, but crossovers are the exception. You can have a CSIxHP crossover and the CSI characters can be the main protagonists. Or you can have a Star Wars/HP crossover and the main character be Obi-wan Kenobi.

    The same argument holds true for Naruto fics: If you have a blond haired jinchuuriki containing the 9-tailed fox who was born Naruto but got adopted and now everyone calls him FyreStorm Blaze!, it will turn off readers. On the other hand if you brought Harry Potter to Konoha and put him on a ninja team, that would be okay.

    Of course, if you make a Crossover and bring Harry Potter to Konoha and then change his name to Kekei Yoko or some such nonsense, or Naruto to Hogwarts and then called him Bob White, it would still be a mistake.
     
  19. Zerg_Lurker

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    What if the Weasley twins pranked Dumbledore and won the Elder Wand, replacing it with a rubber chicken?
     
  20. Reece

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    Game of Thrones and Harry Potter crossover.

    Now it's a given that even a mildly powerful HP wizard could sit pretty in a cottage in the middle of nowhere and destroy pretty much all the Game of Thrones characters with some pebbles, a wand and a trained owl.

    But, Harry gets attacked by DE on the way home from Kings Cross in the Dursleys car (any year could be made to work I suppose, but I'm more partial to just after GoF because of the fragile emotional state that Harry would be in.), say he takes a spell to the chest, or the car explodes, or a magical interaction with the charms that protect Harry occurs. (once again, anything could be made to work, the method he uses to get there, or be sent there doesn't really matter.)

    He's propelled into Westeros, either with, or without his trunk, but certainly with his wand, and ends up stuck in Kings Landing.

    It would be less to do with the 'rawr magical powers beat all of Westeros's rawr!' that seems to dominate these sorts of things, and focus instead on the moral issues with Harry's choices, it would be pretty easy for him to go all conquering hero and wipe out the evils of Westero's capital, thus making peace with his magic...but then what? He'd have to deal with the fallout from such an action, as well as the knowledge that soon three dragons and an eight thousand strong army led by a very pissed off blonde will be hammering at his doors wanting to restore a dynasty that spawned a king renowned for burning people alive for shits and giggles.

    It could go through Harry's altruistic nature battling with the knowledge that the Seven Kingdoms are rotten to the core. Hell it could have Harry going down the path of trying to save people and end with him becoming more of a tyrant than the Mad King.

    ----

    That was all spawned from a little daydream I had of a crazed Harry Potter wizard taking control of Kings Landing and enforcing law with both his magic and a pet Basalisk he'd spawned using journals found in a charmed room in the Alchemists guild, namely the writings of some unnamed dark wizard who'd ended up stranded in Westeros during the founding of the Kings Landing and dedicated his life to both trying to get home, and coming up with ways to exploit his situation beyond the obvious tactic of mass mind control and 'kneel before by death stick bitches.'

    But I am a terrible writer, cursed with both laziness and crushing inability to pace things in any meaningful way.
     
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