Isn't there like 24 hours left?

 

Bill's right, we have about a day left. Eido was talking about replacing Castiel if we don't lynch him by the end of our 72 hour "Day".

 

Unvote: Sesc

Vote: Bill Door

Reasoning, analysis, etc. is coming, but it's time to start pareing down the number of vote getters. This is a phone post, so forgive the briefness, please. Moridin, Castiel impressions will be included in the next post. I swear.

Sesc, I was kinda attempting to provoke a post; I probably deserved it. We're cool

 

WALLPOST

Yeah, it's a bit irritating in retrospect, but... I didn't put a whole lot of effort into the decision to protect Sesc. I submitted the protect as a matter of principle, just in case - but I thought I was 100% going to be the kill so it wouldn't matter. The gist of my 60 second thought process was, they wouldn't kill Uncle Stojil after I'd already said I'd protected him, and they seemed to be picking unusual / stronger players as targets based on the whole jwlk thing. So I picked Sesc.

Again, not my best idea ever, and obviously it would have been wiser to protect someone off your list (not Kalas, though - where's that coming from?), but I didn't. I'll do better tonight, I promise.

ANYWAY - I've been banging my head against this mystery of why I didn't die, and why scum would take the risk of targetting Uncle Stojil with me alive. I thought of two possibilities:

(1) Scum is derp as hell and got reeeeaaaaallly lucky that I was also derp on this particular night.

(2) Scum has a way to neutralize my power without killing me. Maybe a roleblocker or strongman. Which would suck, but is probably more likely than (1).

Since this line of reasoning concludes with you voting me, the "no mafia pushing for the lynch of the doctor" argument is questionable at best.

And you really are speculating that there isn't a doctor in this game? Isn't that like, Setup Balance 101.

I agree with this, at least. Bill Door is scum and should be lynched today. In addition to all the stuff I've mentioned before, post 256 is some bullshit.

- 60 seconds after my claim, minutes from a lynch, he's not even stopping to consider the implications if I'm telling the truth.

- His vote was on Castiel, because (according to him, today) he didn't think I'd done anything suspicious, but Castiel had, and he just wanted me to post more. So I make probably my longest post of the game, and claim town doctor, and suddenly I am suspicious? No.

- His stated reason for not trusting my claim is that it "seemed desperate". Of course, I was desperate, I had 10 minutes to get out of a lynch, and it's not like me not claiming would have been a good idea - so this is a nonsense reason anyway. But from a player Bill apparently did not find scummy, my claim should not have caused this reaction at that point.

Part of me can't help but wonder if Bill Door knew I was the doctor somehow. That's just wild guessing in a closed setup, but still.

I disagree. I've seen scum self-vote and "woe is me" and even replace out a few times before, either because they simply lose hope in the game, or as a tactic to create exactly the impression you're talking about here. Enough that I think it's null at best, and you have to look at the rest of the person's play -- and their interactions with other players --to pin down their alignment.

I agree with this.

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oh and Vote: Bill Door

 

Prophylaxis replaces Castiel.

Day Three is extended 24 hours as a result!

New Deadline - TIMER.

 

Okay. I'm alive again, after 40+ hours without sleep. Giant-ass post incoming; give me just a minute.

 

Checking in.

I'll have a real post soon.

 

Moridin: If Rubicon is scum, Castiel and Sesc are probably his teammates. I'll do a tl:dr on it soon.

I'll vote: Prophylaxis to keep it even for now.

 

Caught up.


Prophylaxis

Uncle Stojil
Jwlk
Fenraellis
Typhon
Rubicon
Fontisian
Kalas
Sesc
Moridin
Riley Poole
Bill Door

Bill Door's "am I doing it right" reeks of scum mindset. Could be reading way into it, though.
Oh, and he hops on the jwik bandwagon. Yeah, if there's one scum on that early bandwagon, then Bill Door's it.

Moridin looooves to post big posts that I grind the axe to read.

Bill Door's #33 is awful.

Riley Poole reads scummy by gut to me.

I like Kalas's analysis posts.

Uncle's 99, if Kalas is town then Riley is probable scum.

Grr, #109 Riley fearmongering

Kalas #127 brings up a neutral, which is very scummy in my meta but judging by the contents of the other two mafias here, probably not a tell

Ew, Castiel's posts are egregious

Bill Door: Nice fencesit on me 142.

I have a bad gut feeling about Moridin.

Vote Bill Door

He's been my most consistent scumread so far. If there's one scum on that early jwik bandwagon then it has to be him. His posting also doesn't inspire me, as well.

Next up, I'll try some vote analysis. Should be informative with three dead bodies and a confirmed mason.

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Castiel (2): Jwlk, Kaemrynn
Sesc (2): Stojil, Castiel
Bill Door (1): Rubicon
Kalas (1): Bill Door
Fenraellis (1): Sesc

Fenraellis (4): Sesc, Stojil, Kalas, Fontisian
Castiel (2): Jwlk, Kaemrynn
Sesc (1): Castiel
Bill Door (1): Rubicon
Kaemrynn (1): Bill Door

Fenraellis (5): Sesc, Stojil, Kalas, Fontisian, Castiel
Castiel (3): Jwlk, Kaemrynn, Moridin
Bill Door (1): Rubicon
Kaemrynn (1): Bill Door
Sesc (1): Riley Poole

Abstaining (1): Fenraellis


Fenraellis (6): Sesc, Kalas, Fontisian, Castiel, Rubicon, Stojil
Castiel (5): Jwlk, Kaemrynn, Moridin, Bill DoorRiley Poole

Abstaining (1): Fenraellis

Kaemrynn (1): Castiel
Castiel (3): Fontisian, Sesc, Biil Door
Rubicon (2): Uncle Stojil, Moridin
Stojil (1): Kalas

Rubicon (4): Moridin, Kalas, Riley Poole, Sesc
Castiel (4): Fontisian, Bill Door, Rubicon, Uncle Stojil
Kaemryn (1): Castiel

Abstaining: (1) Kaemrynn

Rubicon: 1 (Sesc)
Castiel: 2 (BillDoor, Moridin)
BillDoor: 1 (Kalas)
Sesc: 1 (Typhon)

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Ugh, messed up vote counts. Stojil should be violet.

Castiel (2): Jwlk, Kaemrynn
Sesc (2): Stojil, Castiel
Bill Door (1): Rubicon
Kalas (1): Bill Door
Fenraellis (1): Sesc

Fenraellis (4): Sesc, Stojil, Kalas, Fontisian
Castiel (2): Jwlk, Kaemrynn
Sesc (1): Castiel
Bill Door (1): Rubicon
Kaemrynn (1): Bill Door

Fenraellis (5): Sesc, Stojil, Kalas, Fontisian, Castiel
Castiel (3): Jwlk, Kaemrynn, Moridin
Bill Door (1): Rubicon
Kaemrynn (1): Bill Door
Sesc (1): Riley Poole

Abstaining (1): Fenraellis


Fenraellis (6): Sesc, Kalas, Fontisian, Castiel, Rubicon, Stojil
Castiel (5): Jwlk, Kaemrynn, Moridin, Bill DoorRiley Poole

Abstaining (1): Fenraellis

Kaemrynn (1): Castiel
Castiel (3): Fontisian, Sesc, Biil Door
Rubicon (2): Uncle Stojil, Moridin
Stojil (1): Kalas

Rubicon (4): Moridin, Kalas, Riley Poole, Sesc
Castiel (4): Fontisian, Bill Door, Rubicon, Uncle Stojil
Kaemryn (1): Castiel

Abstaining: (1) Kaemrynn

 

Ugh, don't make me look up all of those posts. Can you quote them and point out the precise words that you find scummy along with your reasoning?

 

Sure. Not a huge fan of quotes myself, as too many of them just produces a huge wall which I despise.

Don't know if this is some RVS joke or not, but I'm taking it at face value. "Am I doing it right" is indicative of a scum mindset.

Then we go to the jwik bandwagon.

-Rubicon claims doc, and he was the first one on.
-Bill Door follows on with a RVS-ish reason.

Uncle and Castiel hop on. I'm town. Uncle's flipped.

I can see Kaemrynn hopping on because Uncle did. Besides, Typhon's confirmed town.

Fenraelis flipped.

Simple POE.

Immediately unvotes and votes Kalas for.. what? I also don't like his reason. Smells like backpedal to me.

I'm town and Fen flipped. Kalas is null right now but I could go after him if Riley flips town.

Fearmongering, plain and simple. If Riley flips scum, Sesc instantly becomes more town. Their interactions are too genuine.

How does your meta handle stuff like this? In my home turf it's super scummy because mafia are more worried about neutrals, but it looks like your meta has stuff like this all the time.

Mindset inconsistency. Scum are like "Eh, the two people that everyone is pushing against are town, but I'm OK with lynching them." Town would find more scummy people.

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Vote analysis incoming.

Fenraellis (6): Sesc, Kalas, Fontisian, Castiel, Rubicon, Stojil
Castiel (5): Jwlk, Kaemrynn, Moridin, Bill DoorRiley Poole

Abstaining (1): Fenraellis

It feels strange that my scumspects are pushing a counterwagon.

I tend to view lynch leaders as town more often than not, so Sesc gets very slight leaning town.

If there's scum on that wagon then Kalas is it, but I'm not comfortable pursuing that read now. I want scum bodies first.

And here we go.

Rubicon (4): Moridin, Kalas, Riley Poole, Sesc
Castiel (4): Fontisian, Bill Door, Rubicon, Uncle Stojil
Kaemryn (1): Castiel

Still can't believe a no lynch happened. In my meta no lynch is the surest sign of town losing, but then again, we have much longer days (weeks sometimes months) so no lynching is probably more prevalent in this meta.

I'm town and pretty sure Rubicon is too.

Eh, not much happening here. I would appreciate having scum bodies, and if I'm correct, scum are in both of the wagons (Riley and Bill).

Still want to lynch Bill today, with Riley flipping tomorrow to clear up my read on Sesc.

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Oh, I'm at L-2?

Not sure if Castiel claimed this or not, but I'm Pink Platypus, a vanilla. The role PM says I'm fabulous.

I want Bill to claim, too.

 

Claiming is pointless honestly. Eid always provides scum believable fake claims so that town cant break the game through mass claiming.

Personally I was trying to see if Sesc had been getting similar feelings as me but.. eh. I can see how it'd be considered scummy.

The no lynch was a result of such a very late reveal by Rubicon and Sesc just missing deadline by like 7 seconds.

 

Well, it appears my hour of F5ing has paid off.

Mmm, I just wanted to avoid a situation like Fen not claiming and lynching the town untargetable.

@Everyone: Who do you Want to Lynch toDay and Why?

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Also if Bill flips scum then you're pushed to ++town, so probably going to have to question my read on Sesc and fontisian.

 

Thank you.

I'm pretty sure that was a joke about Eido's flavor. The process of elimanation stuff makes sense, though it assumes that there were mafia on that bandwagon (and that you aren't mafia).

... In what way is that a backpedal?

I was very worried about a third faction in Mini Mafia 2 as a townie. I tend to view these things as null.

This is actually the main thing that bothers me about Bill Door. Normally by day three he would be putting some pressure on his main suspects, but he seems to be playing far more conservatively than normal.

Why do your reads on Kalas and Sesc depend on Riley's flip?

As for your lynch question, I'm pretty happy that you and Bill Door are both close to a lynch.

 

@fontisian:

I don't deny that Castiel was scummy. Heck, if I was playing I would have called for a Castiel lynch too (especially with that idiotic 110)

But here I am, having replaced Castiel.

And y'know what? His role PM ain't mafia.

I read Bill's post as "Hey, I need to get off this toxic wagon now, oh look here's Kalas!" Not necessarily backpedaling, heh. Don't know why I thought that.

My read on Sesc, not Kalas, depend on Riley's flip. Sesc and Riley is an unaligned pair. They can be town/town, mafia/town, town/mafia, but I doubt they would flip mafia/mafia. Their interactions are too genuine.

So if one would flip scum, the other is confirmed town in my book.

 

You.

You haven't really said anything to convince me you aren't scum. Your giant posts basically boil down to jumping on the only bandwagon other than yourself.

 

Strawman.

Confirm Vote

 

On Phone, will post more later now that we have an extension. For now, just want to say this is arguably the scummiest thing to happen in this game. As we all know, that really is saying something.