You know, it's quite possible that a certain alternative is true, and there is even a decent case for it. I hope I'm not wrong, though. Nonetheless:
Unvote: Rubicon

I don't really feel like just voting the already lynched target right now, as that's not terribly interesting(or necessary), so it's back to delving the depths of posts to find something else informative.

 

My head's a little clearer now, what would you like me to address?

 

Okay, I'm a liar. And posting approximately once every 24 hours. Actually, not even that often. I swear it won't be like this the whole game. No, really this time.

Anyways, let's go:

...19 posts later...

da. fuck. Is a read wall all it takes to alleviate suspicion? Really? Come on Rubicon, you're better than that. Either that, or my instincts were right after all. I had changed my mind and called you null leaning town, because your posts, although very different than mine, had a general town feel, but you're true null at best with me now, and maybe outright scummy. Damn, I need an explanation for that, reasoning, something. And I see just now that you are soft defending Bill... Yeah, you're on the scummy side. I don't like it at all.

As in Unvote
Vote: Rubicon
Let's hear some reasoning for the past few moves from you.

Other notable occurrences since my last post:

Bill being the one that pointed out (reasonably gently) yet another derp from Wetnurse, this time calling a suspicious-ass Kalas (especially at that point) a town read. Upon being called out, Wetnurse 180'd so hard that he ended his post voting to lynch Kalas. Maybe you did misread, whatever; that's a sharp turn even if it had been Kalas'. Was that one post enough to make him town to you?

I know that it probably seems like I'm just tunneling on these guys, and maybe I am, but there are some supremely unfortunate coincidences if there isn't a connection between them.

Moridin's post 107 was excellent, even the part where you busted my chops. . As for your issues with my post they're mostly valid. In all honesty, I gave Menace perhaps an undeserved pass. He was as guilty of posting without contribution as Aekiel, the difference being he faded into the background after the beginning. Admittedly, that's scummy. His read wall and following content alleviate that concern a bit for me, though, similarly to Aekiel. I honestly like Aekiel's posts more, though.

Rubicon is addressed above.

Menace, 108 was great... Right up until I realized that it was regurgitated from accepted statements, like font observed later. So, after a little followup, I see your further contributions include being glib with a floundering Wetnurse, leaving your vote on the Schrodinger wagon that is big enough that you barely even have to give justification for it (admittedly, he has been pretty bad, but the easiness bears pointing out), and poking at Fen for being a dumbass, alongside Sesc. Yeah, I'm not a fan of you either, honestly.

Sesc, on the other hand... Well, last game I hated your play, frankly, because I thought you were being ridiculous about things. This game, though, I've found you to be rather insightful. Maybe I'm coming around . I agree with the vast majority of what you're saying about Bill; I don't think that wagon will take off today, but he is definitely high on my scum list.

Kalas's play (after his most recent posts) has been reminiscent of last game even further; I'm getting towny vibes there, from the similarities and from his open acknowledgements that he has been null at best so far. I didn't like his opening with Rubicon, so I'm not giving him town status, but he takes Aekiel's true null spot on my updated scum list.

This post is dragging, so I'm going to get it in gear.

font impressed me with her willingness to make a case against herself. She didn't shy away from most of the suspicious stuff, and while she was frankly a bit too light on herself in a spot or two, it was more than we would have got out of scum, I think. Like I said in my first post, she can be a tricksy wench, but I think she's leaning town pretty hard.

Fen, your refusal to leave Rubicon looks shady. I'm glad you didn't, because that wagon is hopeless at this point if I try to start it solo, and 1 vote is no guarantee that he'll feel pressured enough to talk, but refusing to think of changing it and overt defensiveness is a bit ridiculous. I don't remember having much of an opinion about you before, so that makes me think you could be scummy... Then again, I'm voting with you, so it's a bit silly to be too harsh, unless this is meant to be some kind of distancing ploy. I'll have my eye on you.

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Fuck me. Fen swapped after all. So much for pressuring Rubicon.

 

I'm sorry? I was being 100% sincere with my suggestions/demands. Like, I'm waiting for his revised read wall.

 

Nah, I agree with all of that. What you're calling for is necessary, and I'm waiting on a revision too. It just seems like you're playing it safe, and not picking any targets that require you to make a case. I'm interested in seeing how you think.

 

That same post of yours actually suffers from the same problem.

Already stated by Moridin, unvote included.

Bland.

Bland and already stated.

Already stated multiple times by multiple players.

Same a above.

I think it's unlikely they would use Bill to do it, since he's gotten some suspicion thrown his way. Rubicon and especially Moridin would be better.

Agreed.

Unvote
Vote: Bill Door

Schrodinger is still at soft lynch, anyway, and I'm okay with that. I agree that Bill's roleflip would give us more info and he's almost as scummy as Schro. I think Wetnurse is another viable option.

Agreeing and voting are two different things, and he only had 7 (now 6) of them. The last-minute rally is often a scum strategy. Schro has been silent for a while, now, so maybe he's preparing a good post to defend himself/deflect attention, possibly with his buddies' help. And maybe you're their first line of defense?

Except that I never even tried to back up my roleclaim with my use of the avatar, because that would have been stupid like Rubicon trying to set up a future roleclaim with the Wiggin joke.

But you know what doesn't get the discussion moving in a helpful direction? Stating something without explanation and remaining silent even when called out on it.

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Kalas: what do you think of Moridin?

Moridin: what's your scum-team?

Fenraellis: what are your town-reads?

Riley: what are the lynches that would give us more info based on connections?

Aekiel: analyze Typhon's readwall and post #143.

Eido: inactivity for 96 hours is positively crippling. Can you replace LochNess and jwlk in the night if they don't show up?

Rents: get the fuck in here!

 

So maybe the Bill wagon could take off. I agree with Stojil and Sesc; the most info can be mined from a Bill Door flip. That, combined with the fact that my one vote on Rubicon isn't exactly making him sweat at this point, leads me to

Unvote
Vote: Bill Door

 

Bill Door:

The fiirst three posts are useless. The vote on Kalas reminds me of our initial separation tactics last game.

This is nice and all content wise, but it came after Typhon called him out for his useless early posts. The way his initial critic of Smile and his reason for voting don't match up is weird, and it is vague enough that Smile really has no way to argue. I dislike the way he criticized me without actually pointing out anything specific, and then didn't do anything with it. It reads like he's setting the groundwork for a future lynch against me based on meta, though that may just be my general paranoia speaking.

By the way, looking at this, Smile calling Bill "hyper agressive" is really weird.

Again, this is only a response to a question. No follow up on the Smile vote. Rubicon is an easy town read because other people had already proclaimed him town. Wetnurse appears to only have been addressed because Moridin specifically asked about him. Schro is a very easy target, as evidenced by the votes on him now and the way he was lynched day 1 two games ago. All in all, this post is very minimalist and safe.

Again, this is a response to a question to explain the town read of Kalas. It cites nothing, are is general vague enough that it's difficult to refute. The way Wetnurse called Kalas town after this is his read wall points to a Bill Door-Wetnurse connection.

And again, we have a post that came right after Bill was called out on his inactivity. For someone who hasn't voted for Aekiel and who has never made any accusations against him, the two questions about Aekiel are weird. The way he asks Wetnurse, someone he apparently considers town, about Kalas when Bill just called Kalas town for vague reasons is also weird.

Sesc's post was admittedly kind of vague in attacking Bill Door, but there was definitely stuff to respond to. And again, this post only came in response to a question directed at him.

And we have Bill Door's first post that is made of his own volition. It asked Fen and Rents to post more, which is nice, but also hypocritical. The part about Riley is snarky and also not really helpful.

This post, which was again made in responce to a question, reminded me that Bill Door had his vote on Smile the entire time without any follow up from the attack in his fourth (and first real) post and really with no questions even directed at Smile. This makes me think that he was voting for Smile just to vote for someone, and felt oblidged to move his vote because the wagon on Smile failed. I'm going to assume, based on the time tagged on this post, that Bill Door did not see my rescind on Aekiel before posting and voted under the impression that there was already a strong bandwagon on Aekiel. The critic of Aekiel's read wall is nice, and is probably the best thing Bill Door has posted this entire game, which isn't saying much.

So, I'll join this wagon.
Unvote
Vote Bill Door

Sesc: Thank you for the edit. I would substitute Moridin in your scum team for Wetnurse.

 

So apparently I failed to notice that there were more than five pages in this thread, during the time of which, I have somehow become the main scum read just because I haven't provided quality analysis for the town (and because, apparently, everyone else making stupid joke early in the thread was okay, but I kept going for too long.) I can't possibly go back and go over every accusation in this thread, since it's roughly half the posts from pages 6-8: if I'm defensive, I'm scum. If I'm silent, I'll be lynched in absentia. Everyone's already analyzed what limited information we have to death. What do you want me to post to prove I'm town? My role? A detailed response to every accusation without it be turned into a 'he's being hyper defensive, obvious scum?'

 

Some scum reads would go a long way.

 

Defending yourself (either by rebutting accusations or by accusing someone else) when you're at serious risk of being lynched is more than okay, it's almost required. What is usually criticized is defending yourself when the circumstances don't really call for it (see Smile in this game).

 

So end of day is only a little over 8 hours and I'll be sleeping in a while so I'll just finalize my vote on someone

Rescind Vote.
Vote : Kalas

Now some of you might go scream that I didn't really change my vote so I'm explaining before I get weird reactions.

I'm rescinding my vote from Kalas and voting him again to remind him (and everybody) that I think he is scum.

Basically, I'm voting him for the following reasons:

1. Most of his posts have little content. I know I derped hard when I mistook Stojil's post to be Kalas' post. After having that pointed out, I took time to reread Kalas' post and confirmed that Kalas' posts at the beginning had little value in them. Even now his posts still hold little content. Despite this, he is receiving little flak from people.

2. My second reason is his mysterious disappearing act in the middle of the day as pointed out by Rubicon in #100. I also reiterated this fact in #105. Despite his disappearing act, I noticed that he was still monitoring the thread. He then only decided to grace us with a reply after Stojil specifically asked him to answer a question in #109. Again, his response had little content except for the insinuation that I was scum based on a poorly created read wall. He then conveniently deflects attention from himself by voting for the person who seems to have become a target.

3. Despite people emphasizing that his posts had little content, he continues to post little content.

Anyway, that's all for now. Hopefully, I get to wake up before day ends cause there might be more happening in the final hours.

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Couldn't quite sleep yet so I'll just observe changes until I get to sleep.

 

I explained my posting absence Wetnurse, RL happens (though I do like to keep up with the thread on my phone).

To address you point by point:

1. Yes, I haven't been posting large poorly thought out read walls. I had a large absence, then needed to cool off after Rubicon.

2. To reiterate, I've explained this. I don't lie about RL commitments its common Mafia etiquette.

2b.

Now this is where it gets interesting. Cause I've had a total of two votes this game so far. One (half joking) vote on Smile.. and one on you after that god awful read wall. So you consider yourself a target.. but don't worry. No one pays attention to little scum slips like that.

3. I don't care about day 1 impressions. How scummy of me.

tl;dr WN has resigned himself to scumbuddy's lynch and is trying to set the ground work for a Day 2 wagon.

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Moridin impressions in a few.

 

I meant Wetnurse for Moridin.

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Or i just misread my own statement. Ignore me.

 

What about the 2 votes that were already on me? Those were votes cast because I irked Riley and Typhon. From there it would have been easy to accelerate more votes on the guy who everybody thought was derping. Then you cast a third vote. If that isn't being a target then please explain to me what it is because from my pov, there is a chance that the wrong sort of people would pounce on that situation.

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This above post is directed at Kalas.

 

@Stojil

Meta impressions:
Moridin started posting fairly late into the thread, which isn't something I typically attribute to scum. He's continuing with the longer content posts he had last game, which is nice. On the other hand, it feels likes he's doing a lot less to promote game-wide discussion.

Post-wise:
Again, mixed bag. He's doing an excellent job of picking apart posts and finding the flaws and his read wall was one of the few worth the name this early in. Direct in-your-face questions and pressure feels like its been somewhat lacking though.

Overall leaning town at the moment. See how his posts change over the next couple of days.

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What about them? For the exact reasons you yourself posted a wagon capable of overtaking Schro's was never going to form up (at least without further scumminess on your part).

And if you actually thought I was scum trying to pounce on an opportune situation you would have called me out in #116. Instead you ignore it as much as you could and only bring it up now that its beneficial for your attempt at a case.

 

Yeah... this sucks. Bill Door and Sesc were here and didn't post, and the inactivity in general is pretty bad. We're at post #157 in an 18 players (16 at the moment) 96 hours (90 at the moment) day.

Yay us.

 

You yourself said,

So clearly even if I attempt to defend myself at this point, you'll just say it's a last minute co-ordinated attempt with my 'fellow scum' to save myself, and then call anyone who rescinds votes on me scum. So I'm entirely sure what the point there will be.

 

The complaints against you are all that you aren't doing anything. All you have to do is try to help out! Make some scum reads, do a read wall, attack someone, I don't care. Just do something!

 

But what you say will be worth a lot, no matter what you flip. As will anyone who shifts votes. The point of being a town player isn't to live, its to contribute to the collective knowledge until there's enough for one person to put the pieces together.

By going 'it doesn't even matter so why bother' your actively sabotaging the town. Which is a fine, albeit antifun way of playing scum, but if a town player it means less info, less discussion and less fun for everyone else.

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Also we have 5ish hours left (6 when you posted). Thats not a last minute attempt. RCing a power role with half an hour left would be.