Okay, so I'm off work, but my power is still down (a tree fell on my transformer, and it kinda exploded), so I'm limited to reasonably brief phone posts until further notice.

Kalas:

Okay, I can see how not posting about WN earlier (for like a whole day+) would look as suspicious as hell. Still, now that I have a little time:

Day 1:
Opens by voting for Rubicon for bullshit reason, which could well be early distancing. Makes that horrendous random lynch suggestion that I hated then, (and still do).

Next post is defending the suggestion against me, (which could be construed as more distancing, this time between us), followed by a post that addressed nothing at all.

By post 4, so many people have piled onto WN for suggesting random lynching that he acknowledges that it's a terrible idea. He then asks a few questions and votes for me being "non-committal" in ripping him without voting. (More possible distancing between us).

Post 5 is basically a little readwall; WN's first real content. Puts Kalas in town reads, which was very suspicious at the moment. Null leaning town? Maybe, but full town with Moridin and Stojil is pretty damn shady. Null and scum reads generally have little justification. Notable is mentioning Riley feeling scummy... Before his first post. Also mentions Rubicon in a couple of other people's read, which suggests some fixation on him. font not mentioned, edited in with the descriptor null leaning town, with zero justification.

6 has WN defending himself to Riley, and the u-turning on Kalas, moving from a town read to casting a lynch vote and calling him "kinda scummy". Claims to mix Stojil and Kalas up.

In 7 he defends his random lynch suggestion again, as well as defending his vote on me... and the length of his scum list. I'm seeing a lot of defensiveness here, actually. Keeps chipping away at Rubicon for "soft-claiming, which was ludicrous. Maybe more distancing, maybe just derping.

Post 8 is a masterpiece, where he first makes me wonder if there is a Kalas/WN connection. I mean, really? In hindsight, he made sure he wasn't on the Bill Door wagon, and could point at that as saying that he really didn't want Bill to die, but it screamed distancing at me then, and still does now. Not only that, but it sparked a back and forth between WN and Kalas in the next post that further emphasized that distance.

10 was nothing, 11 was the obligatory " hooray, first scum!" post, a brief rehash of the examination done by others on the daycop thing, answering questions from the confirmed scum player, and a scum team of the 3 players in the game floundering the most, plus Moridin because he was a major proponent of swapping the lynch from Bill. Then he refused to do this, which frankly irks me a bit. I don't know if he can't be fucked, if he honestly agrees with all my play, or if he's trying to strengthen our connections to doubt-cast me, but it looks suspicious.

Then he burns a post apologizing to you.

That's it. Having done that, I confess it has made me wonder about you and Wetnurse. You don't really fit in my scum team, but the connections are there. I now want to analyze you against my top scumspects, but I gotta go now. Wetnurse himself is derping, but in the final analysis due to not really fitting in my scum team, I'm simply considering him worth keeping an eye on.

But yeah. More later, hopefully.

 

Bob: What do you think of Typhon?

 

That's distancing, not bussing, but I get your point. At the same time, all my points still stand (1.He did it once. 2.The circumstances were different. 3.This wasn't bussing.) and your answer doesn't really address any of them.

You don't think I am? It just so happens that with the threat of a lynch postponed to day 3, not many players seem to be interested in posting and answering questions.

Scum grammar FTW.

It's not a good sign, IMO that the reasoning behind your scumteam doesn't have anything to do with confirmed!scum Rubicon.

 

A) Confirmed something Rubicon.

B) Arguments based on Rubicon links have me in the scum team, I'd prefer to go after people I consider genuinely scummy before following tenous Day 1 links.

 

A) Based on his posts today, especially #287, I find it unlikely he's a third party.

B) Uhh, okay? Thanks for admitting it, I think? Not even considering the possibility of Rubicon as scum and going from there is odd.

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Aekiel - Rubicon/Fontisian

Bill Door - Aekiel/Typhon/Menace/(Rents/LochNess/Jwlk) (D1)

bob99

Caesar - Rubicon/Typhon/Wetnurse

Fenraellis - Rubicon/Keyser Söze

Fontisian

Kalas - Wetnurse/Typhon/(is Rubicon part of this or not?)

Menace

Moridin - Rubicon/Smile/Typhon/(Kalas, Fontisian, Wetnurse, Aekiel) (currently reconsidering Aekiel, but not yet ruled him out)

Rents - Schrodinger/Rubicon/Smile

Riley Poole

Rubicon - Mary Poppins/Elijah Price/Gandalf/Verbal Kint

Schrodinger - I don't even know

Sesc - Rubicon/Moridin/Bill/Kalas (D1)

SmileoftheKill

Typhon - Rubicon/Rents/Smile

Uncle Stojil - Rubicon/Typhon

Wetnurse - Rubicon/Schrodinger/Smile/Moridin

Let me know (with a link to the relevant post pls) if I missed a scumteam or an update.

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Fenraellis' scumteam is also D1, obviously.

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Sorry, Fenraellis' scumteam would more likely be Rubicon/Aekiel/Menace/Wetnurse(?)

 

Moridin, yes I consider him 99% scum, though depending on the kind of third party role he could just be fucking with us. At the moment it is Rubicon>Wetnurse>Typhon. What I was trying to say is that I don't believe Rubicon spent Day 1 distancing himself from scummates as fonti does. I'm taking people I independently find scummy first, then filtering that through Rubicon is scum.

 

I'll look over some of his posts and give you a read.

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I'm kind of leaning to derpy?. I wasn't really impressed with the plays in the beginning of the game. His aggression seemed off kilter, especially because he didn't actually vote for WetNurse. And he seemed to jump on the Bill lynch train when people started piling on. But most of the derpiness seems to be early in the game, then he just stopped posting for awhile. But the explanations for both seem kind of reasonable.

And I am kind of leaning toward Rents as null/null-scum. Mainly because that exchange between Rents and Rubicon seemed weird, I suspect it might have been distancing on Rubicon's part. And it seemed like Rent soft claimed a power role early game, which is suspicious.

Typhon implied he had a scum read on Rent, so I agree with that . But the level of aggression in that accusation doesn't match up with his early posts, so it could also be distancing.

So. Typhon = Null/Scummy
Rents = I have a soft scum read right now.

 

Also, Rents hasn't posted since I called him out. If his next post is anything except that analysis he promised us eight pages ago, he's even more scumfirmed in my book.
If we're assuming three for the Mafia, mine are Rents, Rubicon, Menace, though as I said earlier, I can't imagine a scum team with Menace and without Aekiel. Still, Rents is definitely a good start.
Also the whole replacement thing is a bit... confusing for me right now. Who do we have playing? Bob99, for sure, but what's with jwilk coming back?

 

I replaced jwilk

 

Yeah...

Vote: Schrodinger

So fucking annoying. Why aren't you answering the damn questions?

Moridin, you asked me earlier and I confirmed my scumteam was Rubicon/fontisian/Wetnurse/Typhon, so I don't know why you had it wrong in your summary post.

So you consider Schrodinger and Smile what? Null reads? Derp town? Tell us and explain why.

bob99, what's your scumteam. No, scratch that. Make a readwall or something. We have too little from you, we could use your opinion on everyone in the game. The same goes for Caesar.

 

My bad, meant to go back to #257 and check, totally forgot to.

 

@Kalas:

I blame you for the headache I currently have. Going through all posts has been an unwelcome grind.

So here's my analysis on Typhon based on Day 1 posts.

#6 Votes fontisian. It was easily an RL. If town were serious in going after me for my RL suggestion, they should have grilled everyone who made a vote for zero/random reasons at the start of the game.

#38 Typhon pointing out that RL is suspicious built him some towncred, put a town player on a lot of people's crosshairs. Him not committing to a vote on me at this point then absolves him if I were lynched and flipped town. I see hypocrisy in this post since he voted fontisian for no reason in #6.

#40 Rubicon agrees with Typhon 15 minutes later and my RL suggestion seems to be given a bit more attention so that I'd become an easy lynch.

#42 Rubicon votes Typhon despite agreeing with him that my RL suggestion was suspicious. At first I didn't particularly think this to be suspicious since I'm much more inclined to root for the guy was going after the person who made me a target. Now that we know Rubicon is scum, this looks very bad. Rubicon distances himself from Typhon while making a connection with me.

#65 Typhon starts the Bill Door wagon.

#143 Pressures Rubicon for flip-flopping on Menace. Votes Rubicon and distances from him.

#147 Removes vote from Rubicon and places it back on Bill Door solidifying the Bill Door bandwagon.

#175 Moridin makes the case to switch to the Bill Door wagon. People jump into the wagon that was first started by Typhon.

Basically, my reasons for a scum-Typhon are :
1. Pressuring someone for suggesting an RL after having randomly voted for someone at start of day.
2. Connections with Rubicon.
3. Starting the Bill Door wagon.

I know much of this doesn't hold water. Making a case against someone who I don't think is scum does that.

@Everyone

I got a bad feeling about fontisian. I think she's in a team with Rubicon. I was on my way of making a case against her but I lost my train of thought on how they got connected.

I'll post it if I make the connection again.

Now I'm off to get some sleep.

 

Aekiel: Practically townfirmed.

Bob99: Insufficient data.

Fontisian: I find font very hard to read at the best of times. I can see why Stojil et al might see her as scum but think that there are more likely suspects. Currently a null read, leaning slightly towards scum.

Kalas: Linked to Rubicon but seemed genuinely annoyed with him later. Also find it hard to believe that scum would be so blatant with their distancing on Day 1. Null leaning town.

Menace: Aside from the Pulp Fiction quote fiasco, seems to have played a decently town game thus far. Called out Wetnurse on the lynch randomly thing and went after Rubicon for the attempted lynch switch.

Moridin: Solid town. Offers good analysis and helps drive discussion.

Rents: What other people see as scummy I see as Rents being Rents. That Rubicon thing at the end of Day 1 was interesting but I'm hesitant to draw any conclusions from what might well have a completely random decision on Rubicon's part. Derp town.

Riley/Prophylaxis: A lot of what seemed suspicious in Riley's play might well have been illness. Defensiveness in early posts seems odd. Currently reads as derp town, subject to change when prophylaxis starts posting in earnest.

Rubicon: Confirmed non-town.

Schrodinger: Derps, tries to lynch Stojil twice and is generally unhelpful. Currently right behind Wetnurse on my list of suspects and gaining fast.

SmileoftheKill: Still seems scummy.

Typhon: Still seems scummy.

Uncle Stojil: Also practically townfirmed.

Wetnurse: Still seems scummy.

In summary, I'm sticking with my original scum team, though Schro may manage to change that. I'm keeping a careful eye on Font because she's a tricksy wench. I'd also love to see more from bob and prophylaxis.

 

Information without analysis concerns me. I think I'll be taking a closer look at Moridin.

It also made me realise that I should really state a scum team. I'm going with:
Rubicon/Schro/Typhon with Wetnurse, Smile or Kalas in the last slot (because Kalas doesn't work well on a team with Smile and Wetnurse.)

Schro: Answer the fucking question.

Caesar:

Interesting word choice. I've only ever seen it before from Typhon.

Would you mind picking three people on your read wall and doing a more indepth analysis?

Bob99: Thank you. I think I'll remember that you randomly decided to include Rents.

I would like someone (besides myself) to actually make a case against me so I can argue with it.

 

Where the hell is Rents, if that's a fair question? He has less than half the posts I do (and I haven't even had time to post like I should), almost no analysis, and everybody seems to be essentially passing over him. Get in here!

 

Not at all.

 

Oh, and I'd like to see a response to the question myself, Schro.

 

Also, now that I'm rereading the thread, you're right. Typhon did use the phrase "tricksy wench" to describe you on page one.

 

Which question am I supposed to answer?

 

Font's question asking what in the world mixing up me and Rents has to do with your scumteam of Aekiel and Rubicon not making any snse.