Minato's Hiraishin has a different seal to Tobirama's so I'm inclined to believe he improved it in some way. I'm honestly more pissed that Sarutobi just got permanently pasted and none of them even mentioned it.

 

I dunno, Tobirama seems to be tagging and bagging with the Hiraishin just as good as Minato. Maybe he has to use hand seals and tag things himself, whereas Minato can do that on top of just throwing kunai as tags instead? That'd be a pretty significant improvement.

 

Minato's Hiraishin is faster. Remember which Hokage was the first on the scene? But with the way the most recent chapters are going, one really does have to wonder. smdh.

 

But how the fuck does that even work? Hiraishin is an instantaneous teleportation via summoning. How can one version be faster than another?

Unless Tobirama's Hiraishin isn't a teleportation jutsu at all, in which case I have no clue why they're considered the same technique in the first place.

 

Minato got there first because his Shunshin was faster as said by Tobirama.

 

What I'm annoyed is the permanent damage Obito can inflict on the Edo!Hokage. That's bullshit in my eyes. Dust release which also destroys down to the atoms doesn't permanently destroy the Edo, so why would Obito's technique?

 

Yeah. Shunshin =/= Hiraishin. It's a high speed movement technique that doesn't need a marker while Hiraishin is an instant teleportation technique that does.

 

Edo Tensei was bullshit to begin with, so I can't really complain at this point. If I had to change one thing about this manga, it might possibly be the inviolability of that technique (up until now).

 

I agree that Edo Tensei is bullshit. I don't think it should have ever been introduced without severe limitations like the Summoner having to supply the chakra or something. But now that its inviolability is established, generally in favor of the villains (as in it generally works in the favor of the villain, with the exception of Itachi until the Hokages), its bullshit to change it.

It smacks of plot device.

 

I don't buy that whole "instantaneous" claim. Even the speed of light isn't instantaneous. It probably appears instantaneous over short distances, but over longer distances, you can probably tell more readily which is faster.

Edit: I've always imagined teleportation as matter moving through a "sub-space" where the laws of physics no longer applies (bye bye E=mc^2). But "motion" still occurs, even if much faster than normal.

 

There's a reason it's called a space/time ninjutsu. Meaning it breaks the physics of space and time.

 

No, dude, this is summoning. When you summon an animal it appears instantly, when if your theory is correct it shouldn't because summon lands are really damn far away from Konoha, where tons of animals have been summoned.

There are no physics involved. It's teleportation, plain and simple.

 

I imagine that Obito's technique interferes with the chakra integrity of jutsu's, maybe even through all the layers of reality the the jutsu takes place on.

Dust release simply breaks the bonds between molecules in matter.

Lots of possible explanations

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What i'm talking about does break space and time.....just a bit more believably.

 

Obito is using abilities that seem to be equal and opposite to the Sage's Creation of All Things so it kind of makes sense that he can unravel chakra constructs. In that case it would be more believable that Minato fell to pieces entirely, though

 

Because it's an Uchiha doing it.

 

Given what we've seen in this latest chapter re: summoning, there seems to be a time limit. If summoning animals (which Hiraishin is based on) just involved moving stuff from point A to B instantaneously, I doubt the summoned would have to snap back to their point of origin. I use "snap back" intentionally because I hypothesize that there is some metaphysical binding tying summoned objects to their point of origin, and summoning them away puts that binding under tension. The further away from the point of origin, the more tension there is, and the quicker the snap back. But getting back on track; if there is was no movement, the "string" wouldn't have been pulled tight....it would just be cut.
Granted, one could argue that Hiraishin as a different jutsu cuts the binding, but this new "snapback" component of Contract Sumoning (that Hiraishin is based on) leads me to believe that it just puts enough tension on the tether (via ultra high speed motion in the subspace) to snap it.

Just an idea.

 

Summoned animals run out of chakra and therefore leave. They don't 'snap back' because of some arbitrary time limit.

 

Summon running out of chakra and going home makes more sense to me. Naruto and Jiraiya stayed with the toads how long for training trips?

 

The only Chakra intensive thing we saw Gamakichi do was that last jutsu. One jutsu drained him?

 

Jutsu aren't the only thing that drain chakra. He was also jumping around killing mini Juubis for a while.