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Naruto Manga Thread

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Verse of Darkness, Feb 17, 2007.

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  1. Knyght

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    To be honest, I'm not all that familiar with the fanon presentation of the Uzumaki. All there is on the subject is that their fuuinjutsu was feared during the war (or wars) and they were attacked and destroyed because of it. It's implies they were enough of a threat that one or more groups aimed to completely destroy their village, and the fact that that was done out of fear strikes me as fairly extreme. So that's what I was going on.
     
  2. Sechrima

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    Well, Konoha got wiped out by one dude, and would have been ended forever if not for Naruto convincing him to resurrect everyone. Sometimes, no matter how strong a clan or village is, they can still be defeated given the right circumstances.

    I really wish Kishimoto would explain whether or not the Uzumaki have a kekkei genkai. We know they live longer than most, that their chakra is potent, and that they make good jinchuuriki. This is all due to being descended from the Younger Son. But we also know that the Raikage's family have absurdly tough bodies, yet that somehow doesn't count as a kekkei genkai. Kushina's Chakra Chains and Karin's sensor jutsu/healing blood seem more like products of a kekkei genkai, though. Unfortunately, since Naruto and Nagato apparently don't possess those abilities, it would seem they are not universally shared by all Uzumaki. Or perhaps those two just never learned how to activate their bloodline's abilities.

    Gah, we know so much about the Uchiha, and a fair bit about the Senju. But the protagonist's own clan? Nope.
     
  3. PotterFan

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    I don't think that the Uzumakis were feared in the same way that you would say the Uchiha or the Hyuuga are feared. If they were as battle capable as the level of fear you're talking about suggests, they'd probably still be around.

    What the other villages feared was the fact that they (the Uzumakis) were allies with Konoha. And via that alliance, Konoha would have access to sealing techniques far beyond what any other nation had. And they were right to have that fear. Only one Uzumaki survived (we thought) and she was responsible for the terror that was the Yondaime.
     
  4. Knyght

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    Eh, no-one's invincible. I'd call depriving Konoha of their ally's sealing techniques a bonus rather than the point.
     
  5. Vincent

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    Maybe every sage mode is different because they're drawing natural energy from the place they learned it. Orochimaru apparently found the Ryūchidō by tracking where Juugo was drawing natural energy from. Perhaps all sages do something similar.
    I take that bit as Kabuto not quite knowing everything Orochimaru was up to. Right after Orochimaru is revived he states that he put his own sage chakra into the cursed seals. That seems to imply that was actually was a sage. He probably just couldn't use it in his weakened form.
     
  6. Republic

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    Excuse me, what?
     
  7. Sechrima

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    The reason Minato's Hiraishin is better than Tobirama's is apparently due to Kushina teaching Minato a lot about Uzumaki fuuinjutsu. Still, I really don't think her impact on his fighting style could have been all that dramatic.
     
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    Oh, that. That's not really enough to give her credit for Minato. If anyone should take credit it would be, of course, Minato himself, but beyond that, Jiraiya. You can't really take a man's inventions or accomplishments and credit them to the people who taught him the basics or something that he used and advanced beyond comprehension.

    I was scared for a second, there.
     
  9. Knyght

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    Never heard that one before. And is Minato's version better than Tobirama's? The only difference I see between them is the jutsu formula used. Seems more like Minato just uses it better thanks to him applying the formula to his kunai and having the speed and reflexes to dart around the battlefield with it.
     
  10. PotterFan

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    lol. I can just imagine how high you eyebrows got, Republic.

    But, yeah Minato's sealing expertise was as a result of Kushina's influence/tutelage. And don't try to call Naruto's Death God seal a "basic" application of fuinjutsu.
    Even his fighting style (not even talking about Hiraishin) was affected by her.
    The first time I saw him fight (against the Masked Man) the thing that really stood out to me was him wresting control of the Kyuubi from Obito with just a touch.

    Obito: What are u trying to do, take the Kyuubi from under my control?
    Minato: Bitch, I already did! lulz!

    His fuinjutsu-godhood was always the most impressive thing about him in my eyes.
     
  11. plastic.jonbenet.doll

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    To be honest, I don't believe that Kushina was fuuinjutsu genius. Or taught Minato Hakke no Fuuin Shiki and other Uzumaki fuuinjutsu. After all, Kushina was brought to Konoha very young, so she probably wasn't able to learn from her clan. On the other hand, Uzumaki Mito was one of the best fuuinjutsu users of her time - she did seal Kyuubi into herself without any trouble.
     
  12. Datakim

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    Kushina says she taught Minato lots of fuuinjutsu, including the Hakke no Fuuin Shiki Minato used on Naruto. This happens during the whole Naruto vs Kyuubi fight, when Kushina appears to help Naruto and the two talk. Ofcourse we already knew that, since the seal has that spiral thing which seems to be trademark sign of the Uzumaki.

    We also know that the death god thing was an Uzumaki invention, and at best Minato modified the technique so that it did not require you to carry the Uzumaki mask around, but could use it with just hand-seals. Remember that Orochimaru finds a way to summon the DG and get his hands back by studying Uzumaki ruins and finding the mask in Uzumaki temple. Not to mention that the seal that appears on ones stomach upon using Shiki Fuujin again has the spiral.

    So she had the ability to teach Minato about two extremely advanced fuuinjutsu. We can assume then that she also knew a lot about more simplistic seals. Also, you mention that the ability of Mito to seal Kyuubi into herself was impressive. You should rememeber then, that Kushina originally wanted to seal Kyuubi back into herself after the attack. After just giving birth, having a bijuu ripped out (normally instantly fatal) and after creating a barrier even the Sandaime could not breach, she was apparently still capable of the same feat as Mito.

    I admit I don't know where she learned all this stuff given that she was indeed young when she came to Konoha, but somewhere she did.
     
  13. Aerylife

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    The whole Uzumaki spiral on Naruto's stomach should be a pretty big sign of where it came from :/ The Uzumaki clan were the best at Fuinjutsu, Kushina teaching her husband clan "secrets" isn't shocking to me from whats indicated from canon.
     
  14. Knyght

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    She was probably learning fuuinjutsu since she could walk cuz dem Uzumaki be serious about their seals. Plus Mito was alive when she was in Konoha and there's always the super secret scrolls of family jutsu.
     
  15. plastic.jonbenet.doll

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    Oh, I see...
     
  16. Republic

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    The Universal Academy of Mary Sues, silly.
     
  17. Synchro

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    She probably just learned a lot of it from Mito.

    The Kyuubi was after all only sealed into her after she got to Konoha and Mito was obviously alive at that point. So the old lady probably taught her successor all she knew in order to ensure that the Kyuubi would remain in Konoha's hands and not misused.
     
  18. plastic.jonbenet.doll

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    To combine Bijuu/Sage Mode... well, that was predictable.
     
  19. Trooper

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    Chapter Up.

    One good chapter after another. While I'm waiting for the inevitable other shoe (aka Sasuke Power up(s)) to drop, I must say, Kishi is on a roll.

    This chapter definitely had the Pre-Timeskip feel to it, which is awesome for me. FYI Pre-TimeSkip Naruto in this one. Might be irritating to some people.

    But fun chapter all around.

    We finally get to see the promised and anticipated Sage mode + Kyuubi Mode again.

    Edit: Heads up guys, the MangaStream translation is better for this chapter. More enjoyable.
     
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  20. plastic.jonbenet.doll

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    Yep, and Naruto is 'Suprassing all the past Hokages... in a way'.

    Though, I didn't get why Tobirama believes Naruto to become better Hokage than Hashirama just because he can use some super technique.
     
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