Lexicat: It's not that you are a bitch ("bitch please" is a common phrase in my area), it's that your posts are offensive. You start off by implying that anyone looking at voting patterns is an idiot, and then say that you'll tell us what to do. As you outline a case against Luckylee, you ask us to talk about the problems in his posts with the extraordinarily condescending phrases "let's see who wants to earn some town cred!" and "Quiz time, kiddies." Then you end by stating "This is the lynch for today," implying that since you have designated Luckylee as the scummiest, we will of course follow your lead and lynch him.

You went on in later posts to call our meta knowledge useless, ignore a call to elaborate on your town read because you consider it anti-town (calling the question itself "nitpicking"), and dismiss any idea of looking for scumteams. In short, you made it clear that your way of playing mafia is the only way to play mafia. Since none of us play as you do, you are clearly the best player in this game and we should be grateful that we have your posts to guide us.

That's the impression I got from you. Is it any wonder that it pissed me off?

Your points about not explaining town reads are interesting, but they assume that I'm asking to judge the person you are reading. I want to know why you consider Caesar town because it would help me understand how you think and allow me to form a better read of you. This point invalidates your 2nd reason. As for the first reason, I think putting townish qualities out there encourages townies to help town, in addition to helping scum blend. The benefits outweigh the drawbacks, IMO. I would still like to hear why you think Caesar is town.

Alright, let's talk about Luckylee. You quoted four of Luckylee's 26 posts. The first three were bad, and the last one was a joke that followed up on Fishy's joke about Sesc obviously being evil. Posts of those caliber are fairly standard for Luckylee and, since he is getting a bit better today, I don't consider him a valid lynch target based on those posts alone.

Rents: Deliver more.

Caesar: Keep doing what you're doing. This post alone made you look a bit more towny in my eyes.

Kalas: What do you think of Luckylee and Sacrifice?

 

Sacrifice is scum. And may be getting some hints on how to post. This reflects poorly on Lexi.

LuckyLee has made numerous bad posts. And more bad posts. Then responded badly to pressure. He's a perfectly good lynch target. Which is why, regardless of his flip people pushing for it should not be +town. From townpoint its an easy lynch, from scumpoint its cutting dead weight.

 

My town reads, such as they are.

Font: Driving discussion, pressuring people and always analysing. I quite like #301 and #321.

Sesc: Much happier with Sesc's posting today. I think a lot of my problem with him on Day 1 was the Fishy thing, where we were probably talking past each other. I also liked his pressure on people towards the end of Day 1.

I also have a tentative town read on Rents. Not sure where I stand on Lexicat or Luckylee at the moment. Lungs' posts confuse me. I've been meaning to do a detailed read through and in depth analysis on them to get a firm read for like a day now. Might manage it tomorrow. Kalas has slipped back a few notches on my scum list as well, due to the more apparent scumminess of Wetnurse and Sacrifice.

@Kalas: I have been tunneling on you a bit. Pretty sure I would have picked up on Sacrifice a little earlier if not for that. Reading back over things, trying to see if it coloured my analysis anywhere else. In the mean time, would you mind analysing Wetnurse?

 

Vira (4): LuckyLee, Sesc, Fishy Justice, Sacrifice
Fishy Justice (4): Caesar, Kalas, Fontisian, Vira
Fontisian (3): Wetnurse, Rents, Guljons

Abstaining (1): Lungs
Initial thoughts:
1. Sesc is probably scum.
2. Lungs refusal to vote doesn't look as bad.
3. Caesar and Wetnurse are still a potential team.
4. Guljons gets a lot scummier.

Basically, I'd expect at least one scum on the Vira wagon. If Sacrifice and Luckylee are both town, the only option is Sesc. Sesc as scum leaves Caesar and guljons as his likely scummates, for voting elsewhere when the bandwagon on Sesc was getting momemtum. Wetnurse is suspicous as an extension of his connection to Caesar, but slightly exonerated by his pressure on Sesc today.

If Sesc isn't scum in this scenario, Caesar, Kalas, Wetnurse, Rents, Lexicat and Lungs remain as the only possible scum candidates. At that point, I would remember that Lungs thought he had voted for Vira and put him down as the probable scum on the Vira wagon. Since I'm lazy, I'll just update my connections list to give you an idea of how I think this would work out.

Likely scummates
Caesar: Sesc, Wetnurse
Kalas: Lexicat
Lexicat: Kalas, Sesc
Luckylee: Sesc
Lungs: Sacrifice
Rents: Sesc
Sacrifice: Lungs, Lexicat
Sesc: Caesar, guljons, Luckylee, Lexicat
Wetnurse: Caesar

Unlikely scummates
Caesar: Lexicat, Lungs
Lexicat: Caesar
Kalas: Sesc, Caesar, Sacrifice
Luckylee: Lungs
Lungs: Luckylee
Sacrifice: Sesc
Sesc: Kalas, Sacrifice

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that. So I can't answer this.

Hmmm, let's take a look at your posts today.

#237 After my analysis of Sesc/Caesar/Rents scumteam, you corrected me on the part where I missed out your slight interactions with Caesar and Rents. You also mentioned that you miscounted your votes. You then asked Kalas a question regarding his vote.

In my post #246 I threw out several possible scenarios. This is mafia, and to make it worse, a closed set up. Maybe because I have never played a closed set up before, I played the same way I would in an open setup, which was to point out scenarios that could have resulted in that no-lynch and two lynch targets' death. After posting the scenarios, I went through that particular page again, and found out that Fontisian made a statement that looked off to me. Hence I pressured her for it, I want to see her response.
I actually liked her response in #247.
In my post #248, I asked her a question regarding whether Fishy's protection target should step out.
I personally wasn't sure if Fishy's protection target should reveal his/herself. Fontisian in #301 said that I was "Asks a question with an obvious answer", but I myself couldn't see that "obvious answer".

After that comes your fantastic #250

First, you completely dismissed the scenarios that I posted. Then you made a point regarding Wetnurse accusing you of intentionally miscounting the votes. I personally agreed that intentionally miscounting the votes is stupid, hence I rated them pretty low in my scenario list.

You then went on to explain that on continuing to discuss Vira and Fishy would be wasting time considering that both of them flipped town, and saying how that is what scums want exactly. You then said

You came to the conclusion that Fishy died protecting someone else, and that Vira was killed by town. You did not even consider the possibility that Fishy might have eaten a direct NK for some reason.

THEN comes your fantastic questions asking me to divine the Fishy's protection target. Also, your question to fontisian which I have been on about for quite a while now. The wording "I'd like something confirmed", seems as though you already know fontisian is town for sure. Or, this could be some sort of meta-gaming as fontisian mentioned in #301

As if I knew that. I haven't been spectating every single game you two were in.

Then I answered you with post #251, which was my read regarding who Fishy could have protected. I didn't know why you asked that question, but I did my best trying to figure it out. Fuck if I got it wrong, I am not Fishy. I am just highlighting the fact that Fishy, if he protected anyone, surely won't protect anyone that he finds scummy himself.

My post #254 answers Caesar, who asked for a top 3. I mentioned that I don't really know. At that point of time, I had two scum-reads and two we-must-be-very-careful-of-these-people reads for the living players. I threw in Vira, who was already dead, to fill it up to 3 players I find scummy. After I explained how towny Fontisian has been acting, save for the fact the small part in #245.

After Font's post #258, which answers your question, you posted
#260, which was the one you lynch voted me.

Which basically meant nothing more than "uh huh, yes, I completely agree with you Fontisian", which was an answer to your own question. You did not elaborate what did you actually "consider" regarding my first day post and my "awesome reasoning". Then you threw me a vote.
You would think that of course I think that your vote was regarding #258.
After which I found something strange with your questions, so I re-read them and this is what I make of it before I posted #265.

1) You wanted to set me up as scum all along, you crafted a scenario that in which you already know beforehand, fontisian's answer. In the scenario you happily created, in the Vira lynchwagon, the only possible scum could be me.

2) You asked fontisian instead of a new player as fontisian was a veteran player. You wanted another veteran player to make it seem as though I was scum. Two veteran players are obviously more convincing than one, eh? You probably could have asked any other veteran players in here to get the same result.

Therefore I posted #265
Which basically highlighted the fact that your choice of assumed town people was completely suspicious. I asked Fontisian to answer the same question, this time assuming everyone in Vira lynchwagon, other than YOU, Sesc, are town, in order to prove a point. I'll be waiting for that post.

I then asked you why did you ask such a question to Fontisian to check your response. Also, seeing that you asked me about Fishy's protection target, I wanted to see how you will answer me with the very same question you posted.

your post #270 did nothing but simply "Oh no Sacrifice I didn't set you up, you did it yourself!" you also refused to answer your own question to me, which made no sense to me at all. You then called out to everyone to take a closer look at my posts. Oh wait, not just everyone. You specifically called out Lungs and Kalas, who are veterans, which further confirmed my point that you wanted a veteran player to back you up on your case against me. Seeing that you completely ignored my first question, I posted #273.

In which you answered in #275 that you are indeed ignoring my question on purpose, calling it a dumb question. You then told me that you wanted to see if Fontisian arrived at the same conclusion as yours. Which brings me back to why fontisian out of everyone else?

You also made no further elaboration on why you want to lynch me.

In my #278 I highlighted the fact that you simply considered Luckylee and Fontisian town with no prior reasoning. Also, you did not elaborate on why you find me scummy. I voted for you because what you did completely screams scum to me.

#290 was regarding my opinion on Luckylee's outburst, nothing interesting there.

#297 you criticised Lexicat's post and the state of my posts, again, with no elaboration. Care to explain?

#304 Was telling Luckylee that he didnt have much room to talk considering his own posts, and a shout to Wetnurse. Also posted regarding how intentionally miscounting is ridiculous.

I posted #308 in response to Luckylee's case and vote against me. In which I once again mentioned that your question to fontisian was a setup.

And then finally in #312 you finally responded properly to my "why did you ask fontisian that question, are you trying to set me up" question. Saying that you found my day posts odd. WELL, you did not say how "odd" my posts are, and seeing that you completely did not have a case of yourself against me, I came to the conclusion your are simply building on what others are saying. You also answered why fontisian out of everyone else, which was basically meta-gaming. As if we don't already know how dangerous meta-gaming can be.

No I did not know this. No they were not obvious at all.

Which is the exact reason why I make this post.

This post shows that you did not make your own case against me, at all. Which posts of mine made me look scummy? Telling you to make your own case now probably won't work, since Fontisian, Caesar as well as Luckylee have a case against me and once again, you can simply build upon their cases to form your own.

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Thank you fontisian. This completely proves my point that the question Sesc asked itself was flawed.

 

OK after Pingas Monkeying the first bit and Lurking the next bit, I've at least got some strong town reads, and some people I wouldn't mind seeing how they flip <_<

Townish looking people, in a decently particular order, to weird folks that may deserve lynching, from my perspective:

Rents
Fontisian
Caesar
Kalas
Sesc
Sacrifice
LuckyLee
Lungs
LexiCat
Wetnurse

I avoided red because there's no one yet I feel confident labeling a total scum mingebimp, just some people who strike me as "I own the local apothecary" weird... ok not as bad as Taure, no one is that off, since no one is dumb enough to roleplay lol

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ebwodp, Could we get a votal plox?

 

Anyone else have the same difficulty getting on today as I did?

 

Yes. The forums was down, for I don't know what reason.

 

@Sacrifice: Taking quotes out of context to make a point is hard.

@Caesar: All seven of his posts?

 

What's "painfully obvious" to you isn't obvious to me in the slightest sense. In fact, what you're saying is as good as "You're scummy, I don't even have to explain why, you're just scummy and I want you dead".

Post #325 shows all of your posts today, in which none of them went "I think Sacrifice is scummy, therefore I want to lynch him" before you even voted for me. Now, you say, "Fonti already did that".

What, does Fontisian represent you?

 

If you wouldn't mind.

 

VOTE TALLY​

Votals:
Sesc (2): Wetnurse, Sacrifice
Kalas (1): Caesar
Sacrifice (2): TMNTurtwig/Sesc, Luckylee
Luckylee (1): Lexicat/Guljons
Caesar (1): Fontisian

Abstaining (3): Lungs, Rents, Kalas.

With 10 alive, it is 6 to hard lynch and 4 to soft lynch.

Time To End Of Day: 1 Day, 2 Hours and 58 minutes.

 

Lunch Vote:LuckyLee

He's the only one with votes on him I'm at all comfortable lynching :/

 

I don't know, man. I'm pretty comfortable lynching the fuck out of Sacrifice?

Lynch: Sacrifice

 

Sorry, the site's been down for me for a while, I'll get to posting stuffs soon.

 

No worries. Down for everyone.

 

At last, the long overdue Lungs analysis. Which... hasn't helped me that much if I'm honest. Maybe one of you guys will see something.

First few posts are typical RVS nonsense. After that, asks a question of Rents and starts discussing how town should play. Little bit of meta speculation but there's nothing really noteworthy.

First post of real substance. Pressure on Luckylee and maybe a little on guljons. Gives Fishy and font as town reads and encourages people to post. Decent post on the whole. This post is followed by a bit of banter with Kalas and the skirmish with Luckylee. Then is absent for a while.

Nice meaty post. Expresses discomfort with the Fishy wagon. Pressures Wetnurse and myself. Also gives Kalas as a potential scum read. I like this post, as neither Wetnurse nor I had expressed much of an opinion at the time. Then we have the irrelevant drunk post and another absence.

Bit of a stream of consciousness here. Pressures a lot of people to post, which I like and asks questions of Fishy and font. The former is fine but as previously mentioned I'm not a big fan of the second. Reins back a little from previous pressure on Kalas and Wetnurse.

Constructs various scum team scenarios. Not the sort of thing I'd do Day 1 but as worthwhile as most other things to post about at that point. Further calls for greater activity. Posts #140 and #142 are pretty much more of the same.

Not a big fan of abstaining like that. Speculation on distribution of scum is pretty standard.

Responds to pressure from Sesc re: his abstention with an analysis of Vira and myself. It's not bad, considering it's Day 1, and it's activity, which is always +town. Also puts some pressure on Lucky. Has a little exchange with me when I seek clarification over one of his points. Apparently thought he voted for Vira at this point.

Pretty standard reaction. Not sure if I like the "I told you so," though.

More stream of consciousness posting. May have a point about excessive paranoia. Pressure on Sacrifice and maybe a little on Wetnurse. Still wondering if there's something in his questions to Lexi and Sesc.

More pressure on Sacrifice and some on me. Affirms town read of font. It's nice to see him finally take up some sort of position.

Soft defense of Lucky.

Eases off pressure on me and posts some mechanics speculation in response to Lexi.

Conclusions: Lungs has been fairly active and done his best to drive discussion. However, at times it's looked like he's been doing his best not to commit to anything. So, Lungs, I'd like you to make a case against someone. Preferably not Sacrifice.