I would disagree that Aekiel being the counter wagon to Lungs automatically clears him. If we look at the first votes onto Aekiel after the reset it's Blab, TMNTurtwig and me. I'm town, turtwig was town and I'm fairly confident that Blab is town too. There is a possibility that it was a choice between two scum and they decided to keep Aekiel alive over Lungs.

 

Risks of a Massclaim: Since the scum are an informed minority, early in the game they benefit more from free sharing of information. In this sense, Massclaiming roles is a generally bad call, since it allows the scum to plan their night actions more easily assuming they have communication.

Benefits of a Massclaim: It forces everyone to claim something, which means that in essence the setup is laid out for the town. While trying to outguess the mod is bad, knowing logical things about what can and can't exist in a setup is also a good skill to have. Does the town seem too powerful? Does a certain claim not make sense? The later this happens, the better, since powerroles like Watchers and Trackers can often catch people in lies.

The other good thing about a massclaim is that it allows the town to coordinate night actions, which limit the scums available moves. This can provide valuable information, but is much more effective the later the game goes.

So, we've determined that early massclaiming is bad, but late massclaiming can be good in certain situations. So why are we massclaiming today?

2 main reasons:

1) We have 2 Joat's claimed, and the one who is still confirmed town is alive. With 2 JoaT's in a game, that's a LOT of power already claimed, so the scum already have a huge information advantage on us. It behooved us to gain the benefits of massclaiming on day 2 after a round of night actions went off, so we can potentially catch someone out, in addition to limiting options for wacky scum plays.

2) I have role related information that will benefit the town once the massclaim is done. It is for this reason alone that I need to go last.

 

Proph, if I said the scum team would 100% bus a terrible scummate for towncred (Lungs) how would that effect your reads?

I don't need a big post, at least not before popcorn is done, but its something I'd like you to consider.

 

Reread, my thoughts:
I want to lynch either BitMyFinger or Bill Door. If one of them is scum Aekiel very likely isn't, and the other one likely not, either. If BitMyFinger is scum, maybe Caesar as scummate? I can't pin down a teammate for Bill Door. Therefore I'd prefer to lynch BitMyFinger.
Unvote
Vote BitMyFinger

Town
Prophylaxis


Lexicat
Kalas
Sesc

Aekiel








Ceasar
Bill Door
BitMyFinger
@Kalas

I didn't like his first two posts, (I mentioned my suspicions on the discussion on page 2 already).
His third was ok, though I found it a bit far-fetched at that moment.
In his fourth he pressures BitMyFinger a little.
I answered his posts 5-8 in the thread and my opinions haven't changed. I don't like how he kept his vote on Aekiel for something he "mentioned beforehand" (but was obviously not correct anymore) and then on clarification wants to lynch Aekiel for posting two things in two posts rather then one.
In his 9th post he doubt-casts fontisian.
In his 10th he helps the Aekiel wagon against the Lungs wagon, after my vote on Aekiel (which I am going to pretent was...ah, I mean,... reveal as a purposefully set trap)

Also I don't like the attitude about the Lungs lynch in post 10+11:
post 10:
I'm also not overly opposed to a Lungs lynch he hasn't exactly done anything to convince me he's town, though that might be down to him basically saying nothing at all.
post 11:
I'm not really feeling the Lungs lynch and I don't think there's time to get any other lynch going.

post 12 is only a reference to the reason why he is voting for Aekiel, which again, I didn't like.

So in conclusion:
So he is voting for Aekiel (against the Lungs wagon), pressuring BitMyFinger, and had a, well, evasive attitude about Lungs.

That said, on reread, I want to lynch BitMyFinger now, and only if he is town, vote Bill Door. Though, let's see if we get something out of the massclaim.

 

Okay, I'm here. Not really feeling that well, so I'm just checking in for today. I'll post more tomorrow, once I've slept and been to work.

I'm Derrial Book, the Bodyguard. I chose to try and protect Prophylaxis last night, since he's confirmed town and has the cop check.

Next up: Sesc.

 

Hey, i'm replacing Ceaser, I have to read the thread first, since i've only read the last page or so, but i'll post after that and when i'm done with class (like at 6 oclock)

 

This is taking so much longer then it has to.

 

Alright, I am going to sleep in about half an hour.
If you want me to claim before that (in the interest of moving this along slightly quicker) tell me, otherwise you'll just have to wait.

 

Last two (besides me) I don't see difference in them switiching spots. Your judgement call tho

 

It's your call, babe. If you think it will be a more pro-town thing to save time, then change it up and ask someone who is online. The important thing is that you get people claiming one by one.

It's a judgement call you should make on whether the time saved is worth the difference in read you have in Ceasar/jwlk over Kalas and Blab.

 

Alright, jumping in:

Hoban Washburne

Town Vanilla

Caesar scummier than Kalas

Goodnight

 

Okay so I only got up to the desperado kill happening, wasn't able to catch up fully, but right now I need to go to my internship, i'll claim really quick though so we can move along.

Jayne Cobb

I'm Vanilla town

Be back at 9 (PST)

 

Am I the last then?

 

Yeah, it's your turn. Then Lexicat can do her thing. Whatever it may be.

 

Though I already expect I know who you are, sister~

 

@Kalas

The thing is I have mostly town reads on everyone who voted Lungs.

Lungs (5): Sesc, Aekiel, Kalas, fontisian, blab

^ final Day 1 wagon.

Aekiel is probably town.
You're probably town.
font flipped.
blab is probably town.

Which leaves Sesc.

@Sesc

Yeah, I'll probably drop my "no talking to scumreads" for this game, given that people are getting annoyed by it.

I'll respond to your post soon.

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Hm.

@Sesc

Why are you calling BMF "preventing the lynch twice" and "he looks really bad" without voting him?