The only really Peggy Sue fic I've ever liked was Backwards With Purpose, and while it has Harry going back and it's H/G, Ginny also went back, so it's not nearly as unpleasant, but the bodies alone are still squicky.

I agree with Taure (fucking surprise surprise lawlz), Harry/ Lily Evans (or Potter) has the male as the younger in a major age gap (which often incites far less disgust/outcry), is Harry paired with a character we think of as an attractive adult, is really about the reader fucking Lily (since Harry is the blank personality who is vague enough it's basically us self inserting as we read), and in the end it's more Oedipus than Lolita, which just doesn't bother anyone nearly as much.

I'm not going to read the fic now (or probably ever) since the excerpts are more than enough to convince me it's really not my thing, so I won't rate it, but I think this doesn't belong in the library.

We have a lot of fucked up shit in the library, and especially in the Restricted Section, and I don't think we should take it out or "clean up" DLP. I think there's probably some really fucked up shit out there one of us will eventually find that belongs in the Library, but especially for something with all sorts of reprehensible content I think the writing has to be top notch, and the perspective has to have some value. It should be exploring how damaged a person has to be to do things so wrong, or what motivates someone to murder/rape/commit incest. There's got to be real character and feel to something not just this (judging by the excerpts and reactions) plot bunny lust that doesn't really seem to me to have any sort of interesting sides to it, the author just wanted to write about a twisted fuck who does bad "shocking" things and probably felt rape had already been done too much or something.

 

With that logic, The Office should be in The Library.

 

I don't remember any sterling characterization, but I do remember a lot of bizarre fuckabout. That said, can a WbA or S&P thread (or any other thread) be submitted for consideration? I'm pretty sure it has to be on a real archive so the comments and inane drivelings aren't just in the same place as the story...

 

She's actually older than Harry is in most Harry/Lily Potter stories, by the time anything... severe occurs. Although, it's easy to miss that fact because the story apparently spends much of its length showing how Lily Luna was a bit too hung up on Harry and strangely antagonistic toward her mother, throughout her entire childhood.

Heh, I love how Molly is talking about Ginny like, "Yeah, I don't know what that bitch's problem is. I see nothing untoward about Lily Luna's attitude toward her father." :facepalm

Perfect judge of character, as usual, Molly; never change.

I think a relevant question would be who, if anyone, was doing the grooming in this story, and who got groomed. In some ways it looks like Harry ended up being the willing victim of the slowest stalking ever.

If we're just going to do a hit-and-run "Ew, yuck!" then feel free to pass on that topic of discussion. I don't think I have anything more to say on the subject, anyway.

Well, except to mention that if someone told me that if I read a short Harry/LLP fic each day, I would never have to wade through an ocean of Scorpius/LLP fics (no doubt chock full of third generation 14-year-old Malfoy BDSM experts *shudder*) to find a decent story, ever again... I'd incest they start working whatever witchcraft was making this possible immediately. :fire

 

Hint: Just because it is bizarre or shocking does not make it good. Neither The Office or this story should be put into The Library.

I also am so confused why people can't differentiate between this and other stories about incest... or just any other stories with relationships between adults and children. This story would be creepy even without the incest as it is all about the mindset. In this story an adult comes to the level of maturity of a child to have a relationship with one.

It is not nearly as creepy when it is a child that comes to the mindset of an adult to have a relationship with an adult.

I am looking back at this point with annoyance. The thing is so bloody stupid but it is a fair thing to at least debate, but god damn this thread might need the Hall of Shame.

 

I'm more schocked livejournal's still around than someone wrote a story about Harry fucking his daughter.

 

Quick question: am I the only one who sees something hypocritical here:

Teenage boy and his mom: hot.

Teenage girl and her dad: sick.

Granted, I find both ideas disgusting, but I thought I'd just point it out.

I agree there is something messed up about any story where a Time Traveller ends up with someone way too young for them. Two of my favourite Time Travel stories are good because they avoid this problem, either by the character making it a point to not end up with them at least until it's more appropriate (Oh God Not Again) or both characters are Time Travellers (Backwards with Purpose). And of the two, the latter still messed up by hooking Ron and Hermione up, when the former is a Time Traveller and the latter isn't.

I actually attempted to read this story. I didn't even last to the smut, I couldn't take much more of the whole "Lily Luna really loves Harry" shtick.

In all honesty, the only pedophiliac HP story I could even remotely tolerate was this one story where Harry has to explain to Ron why he was naked with Ron's daughter, and even that was because the humour masked anything too perverted.

 

Because, as a few members state, it's not the fact that she fucks her dad when she's a teen, it's the fact that they have an inappropriate relationship even when she isn't even a fucking teenager. Just because they aren't fucking when she's eleven or thirteen doesn't mean that things aren't squicky and wrong before they fuck.

So, to be clear for the dense.

tl;dr Daughter/Daddy incest is not the problem. Preteen!Daughter/Daddy incestuous overtones is the problem.

 

No, I don't believe you are the only one.

 

Rhaegar, did you read my post? I'm not trying to be snappish, I'm honestly curious if you read all the other posts or just the first few. I almost did and I was thinking the same thing as you, but there are quite a few people who examined that dichotomy. Not to mention that not everyone is saying Harry/Lily[Mother] is hot, or more importantly no one said it isn't sick or twisted, they just shared their opinion that this specific Harry/Lily[Daughter] fic is definitely not ok with them.

 

In retrospect, maybe I should have paid more attention to the comments. Sorry about that.

 

Harry doesn't even do anything to Lily until she is 17. Whats the feeling on Harry/Rose Weasley?

 

As I mentioned before, I once read a Fic where Ron catches them and Harry has to explain the situation.

Between the hilarity of the dialogue and the twist ending, it made me forget that Harry was sleeping with his 14 year old niece.

Sadly, I forgot the title of the damned story.

 

I think it’s because everyone who reviewed screaming "OMG this is so sick", except for a few exceptions, are males. Sesc was right to point out the hypocrisy, because in a dark corner of every male (child, teen, adult) mind, the subject is in love with his mother, so nobody here has an issue with Harry/Lily. But when it comes to Harry/Lily Luna, everyone screams murder because they can’t picture themselves in love with their daughter.

I agree with you. Incest is still incest and is not right in a western mindset, and is just fucked up. In this fic the incest is aggravated for the age difference and minority of one of the parts. That's double fucked up.

But, this is DLP, so people shouldn't be so surprised to find this kind of things.

 

I have read similar to this except Ron and Hermione catch them and join in.

 

wut...?????????????

 

Yeah, different story. They do not join in, only Ron catches them, and outside of the Premise itself is actually reasonably clean.

 

Meh, just a theory. Crappy grounds, don't take me seriously.

 

It's Freud, where here it sounds like you're saying it's your theory which is way weirder to me than you using the outdated very early psych stuff I'm pretty sure everyone who's ever studied psych on a higher level understands is pretty much wrong. It's way too much of a sweeping generalization.

 

Yeah, I know. That's way I said I had no grounds. Not Freud, me. Aaaaand, I don't know how outdated the original theory is, I would like to read the comment of a psychologist. But this is not the thread.