Proph: Fine.

Luckylee: Seriously, re-read KaiDASH's, Bill Door's and Rubicon's posts. You'll see it. If not, well, I'll put forward the full case in the next 24 hours.

 

No I am serious, man. It's impossible for scum to have decided to not to NK. Literally. So 1.Clown pied scum and scum tried to NK and failed. If that happened, Rubicon is an idiot and the Clown will claim revealing him to be scum.
2.Kaidash was town and protected.
You attacking Rubicon makes no sense, the Clown at the very least attack him severely for him falseclaiming the pie. But tbh, you've felt off to me all game and I'll show why after you've shown why your supposed case on Rubicon. I'm tempted to think BD is town too since you're targeting him.

 

You know what's funny? Rubicon is arguing that Kai was town. Rubicon. The guy who had his vote on Kai for half of yesterDay.

 

Vigilante, font. Vigilante.

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What the fuck is this.

I thought Kai was scum yesterday.

I now have mechanical proof (to 99% confidence) that he's town.

Do the math?

 

On that note, Clown if Rubi is lying, please hint or attack him a lot.

 

Yes. This is what I'm arguing. I'm also arguing that there is no way in hell that Kai was town.

What do you mean by "Rubicon is an idiot"? you have mechanical proof that he is town?

It makes every bit of sense. Rubicon was not lying about being pie'd, because why would he? He's scum, got hit by the pie, and hoped that by saying that before the clown got a chance to out him, he might wriggle out a lynch. There is no need for the clown to reveal because we know Rubicon was pie'd.

The only valid reason to want to lynch me right now is if you think I'm bussing Rubicon.

 

False claim to get scum reaction. Same thing you're suggesting he did as scum re: judge reaction, but for the opposite reason. Vigilante is more likely, though.

I'm sorry, I like Kai and think he's great, but unless Kai is the vigilante, he's an idiot for that claim and should feel shamed.

 

The only valid reason to lynch you is because you're scum. And I have no idea what bussing means. I guess we'll find out tomorrow for sure, the clown will hop down Rubicons throat if he is bs'in about being pied. Also if I read the rules correctly the Clown will get a msg saying he survived the NK so we know for sure. But it doesn't make sense for Rubi to claim being pied.

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I hate to be town police, but if you can look at the thread Proph you can tell us what you see. Also, Fonti give your case now, not in 24 hrs.

 

Lay it out for me.

When given the two options of Kai being town or scum not making a night kill, you are 99% sure Kai is town. Bullshit.

I can't deal with this level of idiocy right now. Bussing means throwing a teammate under the bus. Why doesn't it make sense for Rubicon to have claimed being pied?

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Then why did Kai refuse to comment on everyone's reactions to his claim when I asked him to give his final reads?

It is nearly 3 in the morning here. I am going to sleep, and I will get to my case when I get to it.

 

Because why would he. Lets say you're right and Kai was scum and died via Judge.
Clown pies Rubi, Clown survives NK and now knows Rubi is scum. Rubi would be an idiot for claiming the pie, because if the clown claims he just looks worse. That doesn't make sense to me. The Clown is told if he survives the NK aka angel prot or his own ability.
Option two, Kai was town and someone was protected, Rubi tells us he is pied because you're immed attacking him for w/e ridiculous scum reasons. Option 2 makes more sense to me.

 

I'd be happy to. On day one, town has a choice between proceeding with a majority lynch, or using the Judge kill. The majority lynch is better, because as you yourself said on page one when I asked you, by lynching on day one we ensure the Vigilante can give us alignment information on day three.

Now if we lynch the Vigilante on day one, what happens to this plan? Well, it goes to shit because the Vigilante won't be around to give us alignment information.

So let's say you're the Vigilante and you're about to by lynched. There's no longer any advantage to lynching, and you realize that by claiming Judge, you might be able to scrape by without being killed at all. It's a small chance, but if it fails, who fucking cares? The clown & oracle will clear you soon, because you're being careful to coordinate them, and you would have died anyway.

Please explain how it makes even a tiny amount of sense, in your world, for BOTH the two remaining witches after Kai to somehow fail to submit a kill in a full 24 hour period.

 

I'm going to bed. can't post much until jwlk posts in my qt in answer to a question I put in.

 

Welp, I'm off to sleep. It was really cool how Fonti looked at me and Rubi's post and just bounced.

 

Yeah. Fuck, I'm angry. Since fontisian decided all of a sudden to leave, I'm going to bed too, I'll try to work out what her deal is in the morning when I'm calmer.

Lynch: fontisian

 

World 1 : Kaidash is town.
Kaidash knows spirit-caller and did Angel Stuff.

The only way someone survives NK in this situation is if atleast one of four scenarios occur.

1. Kaidash protected NK-target (not spirit-caller)
2. Kaidash protected spirit-caller and spirit-caller protected NK-target
3. Witches got hit by pie -> Rubicon is definitely a witch
4. Witches didn't NK


World 2 : Kaidash is scum.
No angel protection for N1.

The only way someone survives NK in this situation is if one of two scenarios occured.

1. Witches got hit by pie -> Rubicon is definitely a witch
2. Witches didn't NK

Mechanics :

The way I see it, if the person who survived the night kill is also the clown then he should claim since we will be trading 1 dead clown for 1 dead witch in this scenario.

If the person who survived the night kill isn't the clown, you should still claim since this will tell us if Kaidash was town or scum. Clown should then keep hitting Rubicon.

If two or more people claim having survived NK, then we have atleast one witch in that group and should lynch.

If no one claims having survived the NK, then witches didn't NK.

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Don't claim your role. Just that you survived.

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My bad. Remove the ORANGE part. I thought Clown's Pie negated an NK.

 

I agree with Wetnurse, that is the best course of action I see.

The only reason I can see for the witches to not nightkill, is to get town-cred by being the only one claiming to have been protected, but that's still unlikely, even if they go for a large soup-kill.

 

I have no idea what is going on in this game anymore. Wetnurse is right, whoever was targeted by the NK should say so.

Just a reminder, and if I ever see Kai in real life this will be the first thing I do.

 

This happened. I was the NK target, and the Spritcaller protected me.

 

I will be reading day 1 during the course of the day. Font already sounds like a broken record from what I have seen day 2. There's a lot more setup spec than I am used to in this thread but I guess that is normal for this site.

 

@Wetnurse: This may be paranoid, but what if there was no NK and a Witch/Scum claims survival? (In this case, Ruckyree)