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Anti-Cliche Naruto Thread.

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Verse of Darkness, Jul 25, 2006.

  1. LT2000

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    Not only has Kin not made an appearance in canon since the exams, she's dead. Orochimaru sacrificed her and Zaku in order to use Impure World Resurrection on the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages for his duel with Sarutobi. And yeah, two weaklings like her and Ino have NO place in Akatsuki.
     
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  2. Mahotsuai-Sama

    Mahotsuai-Sama First Year

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    How about instead of leaving naruto to basicaly live by himself for his whole life sarutobi gets Tsunade To become Hokage and raises Naruto to be a great shinobi and a hero to the village as the Yondaime asked him to.

    Also none of the stupid trains for 2 months with weights now wears 30 tonnes of weights and can best any jounin in any field.

    How about random ANBU member can even be an OC trains Naruto like i figure and ANBU would be no flashy jutsu just extreme stealth, tracking, evasion and sweet sweet close up 100% killing tecniques such as slitting the throught and piercing the heart with sword. Sure you can give him some jutsu but focu primarily on support/defensive jutsu with one or two large scale mass cannon fodder killing jutsu
     
  3. Mahotsuai-Sama

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    Just a thought but Chidori/Raikiri are asasination jutsu so wouldn't the noise make them ineffective against any body jounin and above. Unless they are incapacitaded by support justu like Zabuza. I mean a jounin should be able to use the replacment tecnique quite easily and a sword could kill most people without the noise.
     
  4. Jon

    Jon The Demon Mayor Admin DLP Supporter

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    Ino has potential. :(

    Mahotsuai, don't double post, edit the first one.
     
  5. li.u

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    i had this idea running through my mind some time back, too. though the part with the help in chakra control never really occured to me. though i personally don't really like the aburame's clan techniques that much i think the bugs helping naruto with control is a great idea. fits perfect since the most common explanation for his measly control is that he just puts too much chakra into everything.

    i'm fine with him being average in taijutsu so i'd still let him be inferior than the more taijutsu dependent people. my impression of the aburame clan is that they simply rely on their bugs to not let the enemy get too near to them (hence only basic taijutsu skills). so i'd let naruto have the same 'weakness' just to not make him too 'perfect'.

    yeah...not being cliched is always a good point. but what's even better is that you have quite a few new possibilities with the bugs when naruto is in a 'kyuubi trance'. you could let the red chakra have the same effects on the bugs and let them go kinda rampage (gnawing a person to the bones in 10 secs or something) or what i'd like is them getting so pumped up with the potent red chakra that you'd use them as 'chakra bombs'...the main thing is that they should explode :D

    so yeah i definitely like that idea and will see what you'll make of it :)


    hmm...i'm fine with the sandaime training him but then the additional mysterious anbu OC would be a bit cliched. besides, if the sandaime is no longer hokage he can't simply borrow some of konoha's elite...especially in a time where every single ninja is needed (right after the kyuubi attack and the following years).

    the whole theory of the kawarimi is totally fucked up anyways. it's just said that you replace yourself with a random object nearby. how you do that even when unable to move in a blink of an eye isn't really explained. so as it stands now kawarimi (d-rank, basic jutsu at academy, any ninja able to do it, bla bla) is the ultimate jutsu that can get you out of any predicament -.-


    heh...she may have potential (actually i rather like ino) but she's none the less weak (doesn't really do anything with said potential). and even if she used her potential to the fullest she'd probably still not be strong enough to join the akatsuki.
     
  6. Jon

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    Few have the honest potential to be in the Akatsuki. Ino however, if she was -actually- someone who trained her heart out, she'd be devestating. She cna possess people, which I assume at an advanced point would remove the weakness of eaving her body inept, and may move quicker. The second attack, ( which I cannot remember the name of) causes people to attack allies, if I remember correctly.

    Those two are probably the most basic, and if we use our immagination, the amount of power she could theorertically wield is in surmountable. At the highest point I can iamgine her looking someone in the eye and raping their mind in a Legimency-esc` way.
     
  7. li.u

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    while it's certainly possible to increase the movement speed of the chakra that reaches out, there shouldn't be a way to control both her and the enemy's body at the same time. as the name "Mind Body Switch Technique" (in the anime even: "Mind Transfer Jutsu") says you switch your body for the other's / completely transfer your mind into it.
    that's actually the more advanced version of the previous one (according to wikipedia) and even that one doesn't allow full control of the enemy while still remaining concious. though the confusing is still pretty cool there seems to be no way to fully take over one's body without losing control over your own.
    eh...yeah...with that you can throw your mangekyou sharingan away


    so:
    1)ino would have to create a totally new jutsu to achieve the desired effects
    2)she needs a great amount of chakra to pull it all off (especially if using the same skill at multiple opponents at the same time...if that's even possible)
    3)she still has to build up speed and reflexes
    4)if she manages the above mentioned points the akatsuki would probably beg her to join cause she's seriously overpowered and only sakura (-.-) can defeat her with that freakish other persona
     
  8. LT2000

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    Ino has the ability to be a decent kunoichi...no doubt. But to be an S-Class level ninja...I don't think so. Training can only take you so far...people on that level have to (I think) be both naturally gifted (Ino isn't from what we've seen) AND work their asses off. Just hard work can only take you so far if the potential for true greatness isn't there from the get-go.
     
  9. KeshinNoAkui

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    For the "Naruto's trained by ANBU" idea, it's already been done, with the reason being to protect him from the Council, and using the ANBU to train a "secret weapon".
     
  10. Moloch

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    I'd agree that Ino doesn't have the ability to become an S-Class Nin but that doesn't mean she can't be formidable. Also, if you check Wiki, Ino does have a second persona, meaning if she took over someone elses body and had the persona take over her own, that'd be right nasty.

    Still, Ino seems to be more of the stealth-and-then-zap or I-will-enter-your-mind-as-the-dudette-who-tortures-you kind then like your average Akatsuki member who all seem to specialise in direct battle fields.
     
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  11. li.u

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    bah...that's just in the lame filler episodes :(
    that stuff is so fucked up that i really had no desire at all to follow them (couldn't help it sometimes though :|). there everything is just strange and totally different from the manga...you don't want to judge the character's skills by going from there. they simply made everyone except naruto stronger just to come up with new crap to kill time (hinata can do all hyuuga special moves + invents own stuff, lee can use his 5 gates and is just a bit winded rather than totally trashed as it should be, shino has enough bugs to cover an entire district of konoha, etc. etc.). so really...i wouldn't trust anything in there that hasn't already happened in the original manga.
     
  12. Jon

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    so:
    I honestly expect her to have done so in 'Naruto 2'
    Which can be done by excessive use of chakra. Along with some of the Good 'ole Chakra Control excerises
    This doesn't really apply to the techniques, but true, everyone has to do that.
    Not really, no one is really overpowered, except Sasuke. *twitch* Using any of her techniques I can see her, while remaining concous, being unable to move, Why? Because she'd be placing her mind's focus solely on using her techniques.

    What about Sakura? She has absolutely no talent at all, yet with Tsunade's help she actually can hurt a fly. And by Fly I mean anything if she gets a direct hit. Ino has natural talent, not an extreme abundance, but it's there She doesn't at the start of the series appear to be someone who takes her training seriously, if she does any at all, yet she has her families techniques down pat.
     
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  13. LT2000

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    Sakura had the natural inclination towards pinpoint chakra control (as can be seen with how easily she takes the tree climbing exercise) that allowed her to adapt to Tsunade's style. Therefore she too had natural talent, just not in the conventional sense. While I do somewhat understand the argument than many fans make that this control exists only because she's weak and has little chakra, it's nonetheless a talent that many other 'stronger' shinobi (including the Kyuubi chakra juggernaut Naruto and the Uchiha genius Sasuke) do not possess. We haven't seen any insinuation that Ino has any kind of special ability at all.
     
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  14. Jon

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    Honestly, if her fmaily abilities isn't counted I have no rebuttal, we'll just have to wait until Ino shows up in fighting capacity in the Naruto 2. -Sighs dejectedly.- I'm not a real diehard Ino fan, but I always give credit where it is due, and Ino has the Potential to make anyone quake in their boot's when they consider what she could be capable of.
     
  15. li.u

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    hmm...the original fic idea actually states that they leave directly after the 'rescue mission'...but other than that she could perhaps do it by then if she really had the right attitude towards training (which would probably have to involve day and night training and just enough spare time to take care of the stuff to ensure survival -.-).

    while you sure can stock up your amount of chakra by simply using it and doing the control exercises there must be a natural limit to your chakra capacity (that's already determined at birth). so while you can fill up your chakra pool to the limit you can't exceed this limit. thus you'd already have to be born with a big chakra pool to fill up in order to get much chakra. if it weren't for that shinobi who have already used jutsu all their life would all have infinite chakra to pull off whatever they want. so again the question if ino has the natural ability to get enough chakra.

    heh...the only weaknesses that i could see in the yamanaka's family jutus till now are that you lose control of you body in the "shintenshin no jutsu", that it's simply slow (if even sakura can dodge it) and that you probably can't use them on multiple enemies at once (but that is unknown so far). but you've already eleminated two of the three weaknesses by increasing the speed of the chakra reaching out and letting her gain complete control over the enemy's body while still having control over your own. also with the 'mind confusing' technique it looks like you're caught instantly. so it should be quite hard (if not impossible) to dodge as it stands now. and about the thing with being unable to move...it isn't as if she has to stand around concentrating feverishly in the whole process. a)the akatsuki!ino would probably have enough practice in it to jump around while doing it and b)the moment of concentration comes when reaching out with chakra (that by now should be significantly faster than before) and c)you need only that one weird hand seal that all the family jutus use (so no time wasted with mass seal sequences). plus if you'd really give her that 'screwed up mind by just eye contact' thing i still think she would be quite overpowered.

    true...true...but i'm still consoled by the fact that she's a medic (no flashy jutsus for you :)) and that she still sucks in terms of speed so her freak strength is not really that much of a help.

    hehe...then you should better watch out for the anime fillers in there. if they manage to make even hinata look strong and determined then ino should be next to unstoppable in them :)
     
  16. Verse of Darkness

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    Doesn't change the fact that Ino > Sakura in terms of looks... atleast imho.
     
  17. LT2000

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    LMAO...like, IMO, every semi-prominent Naruto girl save maybe Hinata is hotter than Sakura. And that includes Sasuke. The whole cotton candy pink hair thing doesn't do it, especially paired with the green eyes.
     
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    Ok, this theory would work if for not one reason, most shinobi don't make it past middle age, and as such don't have infinite chakra, also when one tends to get larg chakra pools they use more consuming technequs. Sure there are exeptions but there is alwasy one.

    Also if there was a set amount of chakra then you wouldn't have to train at all, what would be the point? Besides of course improved skill and all that, you wouldn't be getting much benifit.
     
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  19. Verse of Darkness

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    Lol, its like I have nothing against her, I just find her very annoying. I feel that Naruto could've put his sights on someone else. Sometimes I wish Temari was in Konoha... *sobs*
     
  20. Moloch

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    Sakura = Bitch on PMS after getting rejected for the umpteenth time

    Seriously, she's annoying as hell in every episode that shows her and fugly too, before and after the three year gap period.

    Ino > Sakura in every way. Except her outfit after the three year gap looks fugly too.

    Sakura is basically said, irritating. Ino on the other hand is mostly amusing, which is exactly why I prefer her over the pink haired bimbo. I mean, jesus fuckin christ, Sakura wanted to follow the Uchiha angst-machine to become a Missing-nin! Smartest kunoichi of the year my arse.

    Yeah. I hate Sakura with every fibre of my being and chances are, in my story I'm gonna have Naruto accidentally make some friendly fire that'll stop her from being a shinobi ever again. I want her in emo depression(the fact that she's a medic nin makes it all that more ironic) and not dead.

    Back to the whole training thing though, I thought that a shinobi could practise tree walking exercises and to strengthen/widen their inner coils meaning more chakra?
     
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