It's fine with me, but it sucks. 2 replacements kinda throws reads off.

 

Ok, I've asked her. We'll see if she accepts. She said no promises (figured as much), just wanted to keep you in the loop.

 

I'm really starting to doubt ika had the daykill. Mafia Goon is generally a vanilla role, right?

Unvote

I guess we could give Luckylee another shot, so to speak. Luckylee derping is at least in character.

Moridin: I'd like to see him lynched today. His one post today looks like a desperate attempt to not get shot tonight. If we take care of him today, Luckylee can shoot me and blab tonight, or some combination of the scum list.

Riley Pool: I'm not seeing him as excessively scummy atm. Certainly someone to keep in mind, but nowhere near the top of my list.

blab: There's something fishy about his posts to me, but I don't have anything definite I can point at for why I would think that. Please post more.

Sloth:
Man, I really hate your stuff right now. In #929, your compilation of votes for vig kills mysteriously lists the top three in Rubicon's case when number 3 is me, as well as listing your own top three reads. In #994, your summary of Rubicon's post clearly lists his opinion that I am town. In both cases, you list me first in your scumread groupings, as well as listing me first in your summary grouping in #994, even though your vote summary does not support this.
To me, it looks like you're trying to paint me as scum without outright stating I am your top scumread or anything concrete like that. Once I flip town, I think Sloth should be looked at.

 

Mod: You should have a PM from MathBlade, my sister.

 

When I say, 'So what do you want me to do' is me saying several things. Such as, do you want me to give my scum reads again? The second time you accused me of essentially being a floater, you asked for a board of people. That would be more of what I wanted to hear. However, it was an interview, so I wouldn't expect that.
For the last time (probably not), the reason I'm annoyed is because this marks the third time. And to be quite honest, it really pissed me off that you said, "We'll see how she does on D3."
You might as well have said, "I hope you're not too busy in your real life, Maiden, because if you are, then I'm going to view you as scum."

Regardless, I do need to post more, and I'm going to work on that.

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@Luckylee: Life happens. It's cool. I hope you're able to shoot again toNight.

@everyone: I've got some schoolwork to do, but tonight (IRL) I plan on posting my thoughts on EVERYONE. It won't be too much, though I am going to do a wall on blab, and soon I'm going to do one on Sloth. I'm not completely convinced that he's town, so hopefully digging up his old posts will give me some insight.

For now, blab has yet to leave my radar, so

Vote blab

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Thanks for answering my question. Anyone else have this problem?

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@Titus: Can you explain to me again why you think that Riley is scum?

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Sorry if any of my posts are sloppy. I'm kind of all over the place right now.

 

@Maiden, that's clearly been explained as a rolefish to ask that question. :facepalm

I kinda figured the reason you were lurking is because you were discussing things with your mentor, Bill Door.

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Acknowledged. If Citrus doesn't come on in the next 3 hours, I'll assemble my wall, reaching back to day 1.

 

Effective immediately, MathBlade replaces Custer.

 

Sorry about the rolefish. :/ I just ask because you're pushing awfully hard for his lynch.
...Does this mean that Citrus has information regarding Riley?

 

Citrus has a separate theory, like I said before. I'd like to combine them for simplicity and lack of confusion. However, I unvoted because Citrus had said something in the jail chat that irked me and I wanted it cleared up before I posted. Yet, if Citrus is gone, I'd go ahead. My Riley scum theory doesn't depend on what Citrus is talking about in the jail chat now.

 

This city was nuts. Just a while ago a TV news report came on of a bank robbery and now people were being lynched.Taking a moment to review the situation, I was really just thinking about how in the world to survive, let alone well, in this new situation. Based on the animosity of others, I hoped I could sneak by and just vote for a quick moment.

Vote: LuckyLee

 

Unvote.

@Riley

…Ugh, scrapping that thing I said earlier then.
I asked you before why you’d use it on Fonti and you said it was simply because you were scared of her…So you’re saying you wasted the one shot you had on her, based not because you though she was scummy, but because you don’t like not knowing what she is.

I agree that it’s really hard to think why Scum would have an auditor, on top of everything else they already seem to have, but why in the world would you use your one shot on such flimsy reasons?

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@Lee

What I did was called a pressure vote, done before you explained why you didn’t do anything due to RL reasons.

I don’t like your answers…but I apologize nonetheless. Not going to question RL and going to go with the honor system.

As an aside, I though my job was unreasonable. Sorry you can apparently be dragged away for an entire weekend at the drop of a hat. o.o

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@Titus

If ika was covering, then I’d go with that alternative I mentioned in my last post: Rather than a Third Party, we might be looking at a Hitman/Assassin scum.

In fact, going by virtue of ika’s defense, which is more likely for a fellow scum, I’m going to scrap the third party idea for now, see if this makes more sense:
In this case, the Assassin hit Rubi, and let’s go with a blocked NK hitting the obvkill, Zennith, who was healed.
The thing is, if he IS obvkill, why wouldn’t they send the soup to Zennith, bypassing the heal, and the NK to Rubicon, who is less likely to be protected? (Because unless you want me to believe the attack on Possum was a soup, Rubicon has to have been souped)
The best scenario where Rubi should the target in my eyes is: Soup Lee, the immediate threat, Roleblock Zennith (does heal protect against roleblocks or just NKs?) and NK Rubi…But even then, why not NK Titus, who no healer would protect thinking she’d be safe in jail.

Could the roleblocker be Town? Maybe the reason they didn’t make use of him was because they didn’t have him.

/discussioncontinued

Thoughts on Moridin vs. Blab?

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@Maiden

…the hell? I haven’t even voted for you. o.o
Waiting for your reads then.

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@Irdium

…Kay.

In #929, I added you because he specifically said so. I didn't (and don't) remember anyone else but him and I giving 3 reads they're good with.
In #994, I listed you as Town, because he said Lean Town. His opinion wasn’t clear on you, but he came off as barely on the Town side (that’s what lean means), which why I wrote it that way.
There is no discrepancy. Both posts relied in different statements. When you make half-baked statements like that, that’s when I think you’re Scum the most.

…Kid, you don’t seem to get how much I don’t like repeating myself. Have a quote.

Also, are you serious?

I have been NOTHING but blunt and clear about my thinking that you’re scum. My vote was on you all of D2. What more could you POSSIBLY want?

Right now, I’m not paying attention to you, I’m trying to figure out what’s going on. I’m looking at Blab and Moridin. Trust me, once I have something there, I’ll look back to you.

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Also, where’s Zennith? He’s the only one in jailchat we haven’t heard from yet. I'd like that to change.

Welcome, Mathblade. Explain quickly, please.

 

@Sloth:
I still don't get how you think.
Let's say Citrus died and flipped town. Why would I start to doubt Titus and Zennith more?
Why do you think Soup might exist, why do you think scum might have souped Rubicon?
Why do you so confidently assume the reason Rubicon was shot was his last readwall? (and not, e. g., claiming powerrole and not wanting to get roleblocked?)
Why do you expect others to give you cases for your scumreads? Why don't you make them yourself?
Walk me through it, please.
Vote: Sloth


@Irdiumstern:
Wtf, Irdium? I have ~15 posts more than you and I'm not less wordy.
I'll tell you the same thing I told Citrus, that if I need to post more to get an acceptable level of participation then I need to replace out.


regarding disappeared vs. shot between the eyes:
If it really significances the difference between third party kill and scum kill then I would expect "shot between the eyes" to be third party, because a day+nightkilling third party seems a bit much.

@Titus+Citrus:
I just reread Riley, and I still think Riley is derp-town. Can you post your case? I'm not seeing it. Have you read a Riley-game?

Town
Titus / double vote + +townplay
Zennith / jail + behaviour checks out
Citrus / """

Maiden
Riley

Luckylee

Irdiumstern

Mathblade
Moridin
Sloth

Scum

 

Sis, we don't roleplay in our posts. Only the mod does. It's considered bad form on in mafia to do that as either alignment as it makes it harder for you to read.

As a replace in, it's usually expected for you to write in a wall, including what you think of each player and whether they are town or scum.

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Sloth, Zennith's been dark in the jailchat too. I think it's a legit meatworld issue.

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I didn't read a Riley case front to back. I'm still giving Citrus a half hour before posting my case on Riley.

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Read a Riley case should mean read a Riley game. Derp.

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Blab, don't be 100% sure on Citrus town yet. I may have jumped the gun there as well. I'm investigating something that happened in jailchat.

 

/me fucking sighs

Sloth, you're just the worst. OK I ACCEPT IT'S AN IRL THING BUT I STILL MAKE A SNIDE COMMENT RIGHT AFTER TO DOUBT CAST. Ffs.

Mathblade, I'm not gonna bother asking you to explain your vote, but give your other reads.

Ird give something more than a gut feel, please. You've been lurky yourself :/

blab, give a scum read on someone thats not trying to lynch you atm.

 

???, Lucky, I can't randomly decide to change my scumreads just because you want a different ones.

Anyway, I am actually townreading the only person lynchvoting me.

 

@Titus, thanks.

@Lee, ...er, no. I was honestly apologizing for being an ass because I was annoyed at you. I know all about unreasonable hours. Don't know what else to say if you don't believe it, sorry. /shrug

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@Blab

1. Think it through, Blab. I refuse to believe Citrus, Zennith and Titus could be all scum, all 2 (hopefully 3 soon) confirming that the jail summons went through making me put them as Town until I see a reason to do otherwise.
However, I never let my guard down around Titus: If she and Zennith were Scum, they could have killed Citrus in N2, and just back each other up regarding the jail system having worked and them being in jailchait (while Titus was not roleblocked for whatever reason). It would have only worked if Citrus had been killed N2, so I dismiss it.

2. I think Soup might be more likely than SK at this point, due to the whole 'disappeared' vs. 'shot between the eyes' issue, and the assumption that ika, random and annoying though he is, wouldn't have tried to take the credit for an SK move.
You don't think that scum night-day killing is equally as OP?

3. I'm not 100% confident, I simply think so. Considering Lee's claim, and Zennith's jailkeeper status, there were more immediately powerful PRs to target. Not to mention Rubicon claiming PR is hardly news. I think it's more because of where his train of thought went than his ambiguous power.
With this in mind, what other reasons do you think there could have been, if not his status as an analytical thinker?

4. I point to Moridin and yourself based on Rubicon's trails. I want feedback and thoughts to see if I see something. I have never been shy about being unable to know what to make of you.

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Oh, and I believe that "disappeared" = Assassin and "shot between the eyes" = NK because I have no clue why a soup would be wasted on Possum.

 

Sloth, there's no soup in this game. First you need a defined role to soup, second Zennith/I would have been souped by now. Ika knows our roles and gave it to his scumteam, if there was a soup ability there would be no reason not to do it already

I answered Titus's question for me

I also just realized I fucked up on the info thing I said earlier after rereading the thread briefly. Because there's something sensitive connected with it (hence why I delayed revealing in the first place), I'm dropping the point completely for now

 

(Along with a few other quotes asking to explain...OOC this post is meant to be funny and very sarcastic. )

Anne was confused. She had no idea that people were so defensive...She had no idea people would expect her to explain her vote. It was like they didn't trust her mad skills or something like that.

Strumming her hand against the desk she wondered very plainly how people got by without trusting them. Then again there are rampaging murderous psychos on the loose.

"Well I'm voting the way I am to start to obtain information. Lucky's name had lucky in it so I voted for them...It's really hard to gain much of anything with all the stuff being thrown around."

So who is mafia and who is not? That is the golden question.

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After a moment of pause Anne continued.

"Well I think Titus is either extremely town or extremely mafia in that she has wicked powers of some kind. I still can't explain the double vote really."

"The others I really just can't read...Sloth maybe has some alliance with Titus best I can gather because Sloth thanked Titus...But then again it could be a cover."

The idea of trying to read people after waking up from a long nap puzzled her.

 

Riley case - Post by Post Analysis (PBPA)

#119

Two scumteams

A) Zeit (known scum) is included here. Yet, most of what he said is Zeit got towncredit for defending Rubicon.

How can this be? Zeit wouldn't get any town credit at all unless Rubicon was known to be town at that point. He wasn't.

B) The other scumteam has three scum. Me, Zennith and Fonti.

This scumteam was absurd at the time (given my push on Zennith) and two have flipped town.

He also pushed Sloth town based on meta and self-metaed in his first post.


Indications: Illogical Town or Scum



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There are several posts where I try to get Riley to justify his meta reads. He gets cagey and refuses to do so. He's even reluctant after I explain why. (126, 152 in particular)

Riley then talks about icecream in (146) and calls it a serious (150), Day 1 (152) question later.

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152 is also important because he backs off his "A" scumteam because Zeit providing a reasonable alternative.



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Day 1 Ends -- Riley never got to present his alternative.

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Building off #201 by Fonti since he was daykilled relatively soon after that post and ika turned out to be scum...

Sloth isn't the best choice.

ika and Riley have no interaction together at all.

It's weak but still evidence imo. It's like Riley couldn't decide whether to bus or not. Riley has de minimis interaction with ika when he's outed as known scum and it looked like no counter-wagon would form.

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#308 - Riley's still hyper defensive here. He says he called Zennith scum and he's upset people still find him scummy. Yet, he doesn't push his "scumteam" as being right. He has ika as a null and fails to pressure ika or interact with ika at all.

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#310 and 312 - He definitely knows the interview is by ika in 310 but hasn't played with ika before in 312. The latter statement is probably accurate. So where does this knowledge come from? Answer: Scumchat.

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#342 - Point 5... Probably means that Citrus has been on Riley's scumdar since Riley's first post. But why has Citrus been on his radar? Still Riley hasn't really given a strong reason.

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Riley pushes a meta argument on Citrus for awhile.

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Shit happens... Chaos ensues.

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#742, Riley tries to push Zennith not to jail conftown but to jail himself which is a horrible decision for town if he's the cop.

This leaves me vulnerable to NKs unless I spend my money on commuting, thus benefitting scum.

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#748, and what I think is a big issue for Citrus, is the fact that Riley said that all town VTs got three gold. Citrus thinks this is a lie. I am not so sure and I'll explain this in jail chat. I'd say most abilitiless town have 3 gold.

What's more telling here is that Riley isn't looking for the owner of the missing gold. He should be assuming there is missing gold at this point. Yet, he's leaving escape hatches.

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#823 (hihglighted by 826), Slip number 1. Mafia would seek to kill me, meaning I am town. He also just previously testified that he wanted me out of jail so I could be killed.

#853 - Slip #2 - Riley doesn't know about the last will mechanism. Only scum at this point would feel the need to derp around regarding the last will mechanism. Town would have a last will prepared if they really had concerns about dying. Riley confesses to not having one.

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Sis! Stop Roleplaying!!!!The OOC/BIC dynamic does not exist here. Nor do physical action descriptions and especially not italics for thoughts.

Just type what you are thinking. Conform, or I will vote you to send you a message you are derping hardcore.

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@Sloth, Hitman/Assassin scum? That's a new variant I don't think I've seen. Explain the basics please.

I don't think a souper is in this game. Souper in this kind of variant setup would be far to op. Plus, this is a closed setup anyway where people can have wierd names for their roles. Soup tends to be a counter to massclaim, which scum shouldn't have a problem with given Zeit's role.

 

Damn. There goes me being funny. I like a little humor when I don't know the other people like ya'll do.

I'm thinking there's a couple of alliances going on. Sloth and Titus are definitely in an alliance or some sort of agreement. They back each other up waaay too much for it to be coincidence.

Similarly, I'm thinking that Lucky is kind of a lone ranger. He isn't really bonding with anyone but is "acting townish" from what I read in the first few and last few pages.

Quite honestly it's 50 plus pages and I've probably gotten through like 5-10 of the front and back if that.

Blab I can't get a feel on one way or the other.

Anyone who hasn't posted in the last day or two I lack knowledge on either.

And sorry for RPing it I thought when given a character I should be. Thought this mafia was different. It won't happen again.