Titus: As of right now, I'm unsure of what to think of Titus. Her actions are that of town. She's investigating, answering questions, and being active and productive, but I can't help but feel that one of the people involved in the jailchat is scum. For now, townread.

Zennith Yet another piece of this jailchat business. I feel like he might be scum, but what's stopping me is that his ability doesn't seem very scummy. Roleblocking is good, yes, but keeping people safe from NAs seems like a town role. Scum wouldn't have to be protected from NAs. Slight scumread.

Sloth: I'm very back and forth and all over the place with Sloth. He seems to be thinking, investigating, and being productive. Typical town behavior, but some of the things he says sends off red flags. Will do a wall on him when I have the time. (Damn it.) Nullread for now.
Blab: Before D3, blab seemed pretty slippery. (He still does.) He wasn't posting very much, and when he did, he wasn't actually saying very much. As of D3, he seems to be a little more active, which is always a plus. Will keep eye on otherwise. Scumread.

Citrus: Still waiting on the information that he apparently has, before I really know for sure. Once again, this is a situation where I'm convinced that one of the people in this jailchat are scum. Nullread until further information is given.

Luckylee:A town vig? Seems a little sketchy. I was hoping to have clarification on N2, but I'll have to wait till N3 before I know. Nullread.

Ird: Not a huge poster, so it's hard to get information him. (Could be lurking?) As of now, I really don't know what to think of him, and I should probably do a wall on him. I kind of put him in the same boat as blab. He seems...slippery. Scumread.

Custer/Mathblade:Interesting. Custer felt scum, whereas Mathblade feels town. She's productive and clearly trying to get a handle on things. I suspected that Custer was scum by his few posts and that he seemed to be lurking. I don't feel that from Mathblade. Townread.

Riley: I don't know much about everyone's meta, but I do know that Riley is often mislynched a lot. I still do not think he is scum. He's yet another person that I probably should do a wall on. At first he seemed very scummy to me--need I mentioned the randomness about ice cream. He seemed pretty flaky at first too--he didn't want to say anything or provide any insight. Now, he seems a bit better. Him revealing his role helped, though he could be lying. I do agree with Sloth that it's strange that he used his ability on the first night for what seemed like no good reason. SLIGHT townread.

Nemrut/Moridin:Lurker scum? I'm not quite sure, and I really don't have much to go on. The little that I do have to go on has already been said. (Such as Moridin handling the 'slip' pretty well.) Moridin, Ird, and blab are all in the same boat for me. They all seem slippery. Nullread on Moridin for now.

 

Do what you gotta do. RL comes first. And thanks.

 

That's all from me for tonight. I know that's not a very good wall on everyone, but these were the thoughts that came to me as I was thinking of these people. So it's all raw and fresh from my head.
I am still mourning Fonti and Rubicon. They were two people who I was sure were town. (And I was right, XD). Anyway, good night everyone. See you guys tomorrow. :3

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Hey, be nice. That was YOUR bad, not hers.

 

Shamelessly borrowing Maiden's format

Titus: Not sure what to think...Starts off with power reveal and tries to convince us she is town. Almost too convincing, but for trying so hard it doesn't all fit. Nullread

Zennith Yet another piece of this jailchat business. I feel like he might be scum, but what's stopping me is that his ability doesn't seem very scummy. Roleblocking is good, yes, but keeping people safe from NAs seems like a town role. Scum wouldn't have to be protected from NAs. Slight scumread. (ditto)

Sloth: Too much side talking and not enough interaction with town where it counts. Nullread for now, trending scum.

Blab: I like how his posts are written and seems to have some points but not sure one way or the other. Nullread, trending town.

Citrus: Holding out opinion until daychat is available. Either that or jailchat.

Luckylee:Not sure what to think. His posts fluctuate between town and scum Nullread.

Ird: Lurker, so unknown.trending scum .

Maiden: Definitely trying to put the pieces together and get a definite town vibe here. Townread.

Riley: I don't know what to think about Riley. Seems honest and probes deep but too many questions have been asked. Trending town

Nemrut/Moridin: Nullread because of lack of interaction.

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See you tomorrow unless it is the evening when I'm offline. Got Cyberpunk to do and corps to save or kill, whatever.

 

Incidentally, Titus, how come your double vote isn't roleblocked by jail?

 

Three theories on that, in order of likelihood. 1) Is that the jail only RB's at night which makes sense she'd get two votes during the day. 2) The role requires coins and may not be subject to whatever the jail blocks. 3) The jail is not a jail at all. (Unlikely but still possible.)

 

My dayvote is a passive action occurring during the day. Jail blocks me from taking night actions.

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Open readwall... can vote on anything with traction.

Zennith scum has been discussed to death and is unlikely. Zennith is pretty fucking obvtown. The only reason scum would keep him alive is to stir paranoia.

I find it pretty odd that Mathblade comes in and starts throwing dirt on pretty much every obvtown role in the game (me, Citrus and Zennith) and defends people playing scummily.

There's little to no explanation of vote shifts from Luckylee and Citrus.

She's basically derping her way through this conversation, so she's really bad derp!Town or obvscum.

 

Okay first off: I did explain vote changes each time. Summary for you below:

1) Lucky was just an initial vote to say "Hey I'm alive." Just like people do when they enter the game.
2) Citrus was based upon information YOU gave. Then said yourself was inaccurate so I switched to no vote.
3) Maiden made a point about Zennith I agreed with so, makes sense to vote that way.

Words like obvX or derp do not a point make. This jail isn't obviously a traditional scale anyway as it only stops night actions. The only thing you've done to demonstrate my "derping" is that I don't agree with you. That doesn't make me a derp. It makes me not trust until an argument is made. Keep going down this road and I'm not sure you're not scum with an additional vote. It would make sense as otherwise it's a 1/4 ratio at start.

 

What the hell is that, a threat?

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Also fuck this white forum

 

Not a threat. It means that I don't trust her and if she continues this road I will think she is scum.

And yes the white can do find somewhere else to hide.

 

Traditional jails generally only stop night actions. I literally cannot lie about he jail chat. Ika started there. He's known scum. Zeit is known scum. If the jailchat is faked, then all three of us must be scum. That leaves 5 scum in a thirteen player game, plus a third party... So if the town mislynches Day 1 it loses...no. You can pick any of us as scum, but not all of us. The jailchat exists.

1) It's reads, not votes people use to signify their prescence.
2) You voted Citrus bc you didn't like his case.
3) What about Maiden's point is so persuasive?

Derp says nothing about alignment. It just says you are making basic mistakes.

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What road?

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Good night.

 

Maybe traditional jails in your games yes. In my past games it is night AND day. Then again a two vote power is unique. Anything can happen.

This was a 16 player game so 4-5 scum makes sense. Two scum are dead, so 2-3 remaining. And no, it doesn't mean all three of you are scum. You just can't call out a liar if someone says jailchat and wasn't in it. With 11 people and possibly 3 mafia it is close but doable.I even listed jailchat not existing as a 3rd on the list possibility. But until I am in it I can't guarantee it existing.

1) Agree to disagree here. It hasn't been til people disagree with you that you question them or don't vote how you like.
2) So you're telling me why I voted now....priceless.
3) Because it makes sense for starters and doesn't say I am derping or that I am not playing the game well. You can have your opinion and that you play the game to the best of one's ability. Saying I am being derp won't convince me to agree with you.

It is late here. Good night.

 

5 scum makes no sense in a 16 person game with a mafia dayvig and town vanillas with the closed setup.

D1 mislynch -> 15 at night -> 14 next day -> day vig = 13 alive with 5 scum. That sounds a little too ridiculous

I sincerely doubt there's 3 scum, or at the least there isn't 13 town. 4 scum seems like a fair number and it doesn't eliminate the possibility of a third party.

The third party can't be SK though or else 1 town mislynch can lead to 12 alive with mafia + sk. Even with a correct mafia lynch, that easily leads to 9 alive the next day with 5 town. Town's chances are solely dependent on if mafia/sk eliminate each other or not.

Thus there's 4 mafia and no third party OR third party is something without a KPN. It may not be malicious then (ex: Survivor).

So I'm almost certain there's 4 total mafia, 2 of which are dead. Town should be in a very strong position right now anyways, with a perfect lynch game played so far (D1 modkilled maf, D2 lynched maf)

 

Convincing argument I like it and was one of the possibilities above. This would be good as my town picture versus scum is murky.

Also I have an emergency errand to run this AM so if I don't post today this is why. I plan on checking first thing Wednesday regardless.

 

My eyes

I'm not entirely sure what to make of Mathblade's attitude.
On the one hand going into the game without really knowing who is obvtown and why looks like town.
On the other, given that we have a large townblock, scum probably needs to doubtcast it, if it really consists of only town.

I'm upping the strength of my unaligned pair of Mathblade/Custer and Sloth, at least.


Also, Prophylaxis's answer on whether he used "Goon" as the equivalent to "Vanilla" was an unsurprisingly unhelpful "I can't answer that question", which stalls my role-speculation. (whether ika could send messages himself, how many scumroles are left, etc.)

 

I want to note (I just got back after a crazy day yesterday where I couldn't post) - if I were scum, and I'd wanted Titus dead - well, Titus didn't commute herself last night so that I could jail her. If I were scum, why wouldn't I just have my scumteam kill her instead? It makes no sense.

Anyways, I'm back, need some time to get organized/catch up for real, and then I'll post thoughts, etc.

 

@Blab, I really doubt Sloth is groupscum. He may be third party.

What do you think of Riley/Mathblade groupscum and Lucky or Sloth as third party?

 

@Riley

It's fairly anti-town if people accuse you of being one of the most scummy players left and you respond with raging and not really contributing anything else. Looks more like scum giving up then town that cares

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Irdium where are you??

 

So confused as to what basis this relies on.

 

@Riley:
probably the curious lack of you two (Custer and you) interacting or mentioning each other. I think you mentioned him only as a null read once and that's it.
Then, as Mathblade replaces in, and you are under pressure, she starts praising my defense of you and starts a counter-wagon.

@Titus:
Let's assume I would scumread Riley as much as you, then yeah, I could see that pair. But I still don't really see scum!Riley.