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Brass & Tax Mafia

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Prophylaxis, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. Aerylife

    Aerylife Not Equal

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    …Because you can't designate more than one person a night? Because Proph told me I could designate in the pre game? I already admitted I lied about my ability, a lot. I'll defend myself in a shitty way, but I won't be bothered to dredge through the thread.
     
  2. Titus

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    No one asked you to drudge through the thread. If you are town, fight. Town has a shit ton of power, so why are you rolling over and playing freaking dead?

    Did you get a roleblocked message the night you failed to submit?
     
  3. blab

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    @Lucky:
    How does this make sense from your perspective as a town!vig who hasn't designated Sloth? What if we had all agreed to that?


    @Titus:
    If he is a SK than he presumably needs to survive to win.
    Then why claim vig, that moves him up as a priority for scum?
    Maybe he is bulletproof.
    But if he is bulletproof, than he basically only needs to avoid getting lynched. Then why lie at all about his ability?

    Behavior-wise Lucky as SK makes just as little sense as Lucky as town!vigilante. And Lucky=SK would mean that daykill came from scum, and I don't think a serialkiller balances against daykilling scum, since the inclusion of SK is not exactly +town.
    (and balance was the argument to consider town!vig Lucky at all)
     
  4. Titus

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    @blab, SK fearing danger typically claim town!vig. SK probably doesn't balance against daykilling scum, you are right there.

    I admit I am a little lost. However, my gut is pinging on Sloth pushing on Lee and he is really town.

    Nothing about Lee's play makes sense, but I feel that about Maiden and Riley and the odds of all three being anti-town are just piss poor. I'm just lost and whatever.
     
  5. Sloth

    Sloth Professor DLP Supporter

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    Hungry for apples?
    Strange, I expected Citrus to say something by now. Most players are quiet too.

    @Blab
    Someone mentioned before how it didn't make sense for scum not to target Lee N2, and I agree with it. If we had a healer, they would have likely healed Zennith, and I think even Titus asked for them to, so that wouldn't have stopped them.
    Objectively, it's possible the roleblock fell on Lee yesterday, but they could have just as easily targeted any of the VTs left. Not to mention that if you were going to roleblock the vig, why not just kill him?

    The only reason I can think of is that they were trying to cast doubt and have us do the dirty work. But how is that risk worth keeping a 'double-shooter' alive?

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    @Titus
    What makes you say this when in #1040 you were saying that you weren't even sure there was a SK? What makes it likely?

    Also,
    Can you clarify what you mean here? I'm not sure if you're saying you agree with me, or I'm being scummy, or what, so I'm not sure if I should be addressing something here.
    I will note that my reasons for clearing that bunch have been stated clearly and then redacted after that mistake. I do not believe Moridin of Blab to be conf!Town anymore.
    I'm still on Lee because after his plays, and especially after his more recent posts, he seems to only be getting scummier.
    Plus he keeps leaving himself open to things like this,
    Destroying any credibility he had even further.

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    @Lee
    Not quoting anything here because honestly I'd quote every post you've made since my last one.
    In #1437, you attempted to explain what you meant in a plausible way...yet still somehow made the same error in saying that you didn't designate N3 because you were busy. I'll just assume you meant N2.

    Also, you claimed you designated Ird during what I assume was yesterNight at Zennith's request when if you had gone with what Town told you, you should have designated Riley.

    And, apparently you could have shot blab last Night, but didn't. Why? I guess a lot of people didn't want you to, but in a Town!Mathblade world, he was the first choice in #1288.

    Finally, you keep saying things like 'idgaf' and 'way too much work', and 'won't be bothered', whenever you're asked to answer solid questions.
    The only freakin' thing you do is keep insisting we let Ird, conveniently the other scumread, leave, until another Night so you can prove yourself to us. You don't care about what's best for Town.

    ...You're either scum or a Town that doesn't give a shit about the game, making you an unreliable. Either way, I'd happily lynch you, once we knew what the next step is.

    ---------- Post automerged at 11:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ----------

    Anyway, it's been a really long day on my side of things, so going to bed. Night guys.
     
  6. Irdiumstern

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    @Titus: I think Lucky is probably scummy.
    If I pick up an inconsistency in someone's behavior or logic, then I have to follow up on it. I don't mind questions, but when did Sloth say/imply lucky was innocent?

    I'd still rather see a Moridin Lynch. His scumhunting today was pointing out all the shitty things Luckylee did, which is pretty much going for the most obvious target.
     
  7. Titus

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    Sloth, my issue is that Lucky seems to be doing textbook caught SK play. Claim town!vig, play resigned and do what he's doing.

    Yet, SK doesn't make much sense in the setup given the astonishingly low KPN.

    I also have a nagging paranoia that Lucky IS town and that you're scum pushing him.

    Of course, I have no clue because I'm lost. I'm kinda wanting Ird to talk more to establish a record and have him take a position on this lynch as well so I can look at interactions later. I usually tend to be much better later in the game but this is a level of chaos I am not used to.

    I can't crack this because every avenue I try, no actions make sense.

    For instance, why didn't Maiden give Blab anything when he keeps bidding? Didn't blab bid on three things? Then where does he get the money? How could he spend anything?

    Why would the mod include letters instead of player names in the market, making it essentially random? Or is that plausible desirability for scum who gets money if we bid?

    Why would Riley check you allegedly when Citrus is most likely to be alive due to a) doubtcasting and b) a decent chance to be jailed? Why is this the first we are hearing of a roleblocker?

    I can't get my head into any of the PR actions in this game and WHY they were done. That's disturbing to me.

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    Sloth didn't imply Lucky was innocent. I think you have misunderstood something.
     
  8. Aerylife

    Aerylife Not Equal

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    :| I can't even. Fuck this. I was claiming I'd shoot Sloth because Fonti pretty much insisted he was scum, and Fonti had just been shot. I was blufingf and seeing if I'd get killed, and that was night 3 iirc. I had plans on designating him, and shooting him the next day if I survived. But IRL sucked so that didn't happen, and at that point he'd been town. Ffs.

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    This is my last post, because at this point I doubt you guys will listen.

    I see literally no reason not to give me a night to prove my claim. 0. If I'm lying and don't shoot, it's as simple as lynching me tomorrow. So give me 1 more night, I didn't shoot blab, because I honestly do think he is town. Everyone seems to agree Ird is scummy, so thats a thing. All of this focus on me isn't exactly scum hunting,

    1:because I'm not scum
    2:because I can be lynched at any time, everyone agrees on that

    Focus on other targets ffs. If not, w/e just lynch me now I'll hammer myself and laugh after I flip town vig.
     
  9. Citrus

    Citrus First Year

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    On a trip, so my posting will be pretty sporadic.

    Vote: Luckylee

    Now to return to my cold and lonely cell. QQ (Jokes on all of you, I get multiple QT's)
     
  10. Aerylife

    Aerylife Not Equal

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    Lynch Vote Luckylee

    Hammer time bitches. Btw I'm town.

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    Btw Citrus and Titus are probably scum. Sloth too, something to consider after I flip town. Ciao
     
  11. Citrus

    Citrus First Year

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    Unvote
    FYI you forgot a colon, hence a fake vote

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    Or I guess the rules aren't as stringent as they were in avatar after checking the op out. Twilight will probably be til tmrw morning

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    Actually everyone left is scum, you're the only town left. Proph accidentally flipped the alignments of the remaining players, you lose
     
  12. Aerylife

    Aerylife Not Equal

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    Nice backpedal bro.

    Also, I hammered myself. I'ma call this game a win, even when town loses. So now, to face the music in obs chat. Fuck all of y'all. Shot out to Citrus for letting me hammer myself though, and probably being scum.

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    Yeah. Fuck this game in general.

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    …so what? Everyone left is scum? That makes no sense? 2 scum flipped already? :|

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    You wanna explain Citrus? Because I really wanna go to bed, but I am quite curious as to how I'm the only member of town left.
     
  13. Citrus

    Citrus First Year

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    Evidently you need me to type /sarcasm

    And I didn't back pedal shit. You're obvious scum the way ika is by self voting, I just thought day was extendable instead of over due to your hammer
     
  14. Aerylife

    Aerylife Not Equal

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    /me cackles

    I think I'm retiring from mafia. Can't even read apparently. Also, I'm town.

    Titus, Citrus, and Sloth are probable scum to anyone thats still town. Please lynch Sloth tomorrow guys, letting him scot off into endgame is a horrible idea.
     
  15. Irdiumstern

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    Bolded was the point I was referring to. Could you clarify?

    So Citrus stealth hammered?
     
  16. Aerylife

    Aerylife Not Equal

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    HMMM I WONDER. So when I flip town, lynch Sloth. Kthx. Man. Pretty sad I didn't get to shoot anyone though, sucks. Ird,

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    Ird, I believe in you. Pretty sure everyone who hard pushed my lynch, Mori/Sloth mostly, are prob scum. My offer to shoot you and try to save myself were pretty shit >.>

    Or Citrus and Titus are playing us hard. Or not. Definitely lynch Sloth/Citrus tomorrow though.
     
  17. Titus

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    Citrus, that is one hell of a crappy argument. Lucky has probably been hammered. The mods usually count intent not if there is a colon.

    Ird, I wanted to see if Sloth 's behavior could be consistent with town if Lucky is town.

    Lucky, jail having two scum at start makes no sense. Scum wouldn't add another scum to jsilchat when they'd likely have to claim. Scum having a commute power makes little sense if no SK. While I like the doubtcasting for my own survival rate, it sucks because it is so bad and likely means I must commute.
     
  18. Sloth

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    …So. I’m just going to assume we’re at Twilight until we hear otherwise.

    @Titus
    I thought you said you were given commute power?

    Pretty much how I felt about Mathblade, but you’re still likely Town to me.

    Plus, I’ve already said: Don’t believe me? Lynch me.
    I’m out of gold, so I can’t do Last Will, nor my ability.
    I do not recommend payback, since there’s a 50/50 chance I’ll get NK’d tonight (unless they don’t see me as a threat).
    And I’ve already given my scumreads (Lee > Ird > Mori > Blab, Citrus is interchangeable here.)

    My only use for Town right now is either a meatshield (again, 50/50), or a flip. Fine with either, but be very careful whom you vote on afterwards.

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    @Citrus
    [FONT=&quot]ಠ[/FONT]_[FONT=&quot]ಠ[/FONT]
    And of course he hammers in the very next post.

    Citrus, did Zennith jail you last Night?

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    @Lee
    That answers literally nothing about that question. What if they’d had agreed? They had said, ‘ya, man, shoot Sloth, he’s totes scum. Totes magotes. ’
    And then come the next day, what would you have said? ‘Oh Sloth’s alive. I know I said I’d shoot him, but here’s the thing…’
    Your ‘false claim’ makes no sense. What makes sense is you making crap up.

    Are you willfully ignoring every time this is answered when you bring it up? The only ones you claim you can shoot are either the pseudo-conf!town, and the second other scummier read.
    What the hell are you suggesting? “Let me and Ird, the two highest scumreads in the group, live through another Day so I can maybe finally prove to you I can shoot, something that, by the way, I promised to do two Days ago and that I keep giving conflicting information on”?
    So are we supposed to lynch someone we don’t feel is as scummy simply so you ‘finally shoot’? This is a strategy for your survival. Not Town’s.

    And then you went ahead and hammer yourself exactly as ika did. ‘Oh no, I’m Town. But I’m take 48 hours away from Town regardless because I’m throwing a hissy fit. Planning time? Fuck that.’
    Even if you were 100% dead-to-rights, taking away discussion time is a scum move.

    You should know right now: If you somehow flip Town, and Town loses, it’s almost entirely because of how useless a Town you’ve been. Enjoy your fucking hammer. Hope it was worth it.

    Also, are you going to claim to retire every time you lose a game, or is that a just here and micro-mafia thing? Put up or shut up, you’re like a whiny teenager threatening to run away from home.

    P.S. Yep. You totally believe in Ird. This is why you spent most of the Day trying to desperately to convince us to let you shoot. Ok.

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    ^shoot him*
     
  19. Titus

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    Sloth, I was.

    Scum given a commute ability without an SK makes no sense, so I am not likely scum.
    Scum wouldn't invite fellow scum into jilchat, givin more opportunities to slip.
    Scum commuter wouldn't commute if they knew their buddy was getting jailed.

    Thus Titus and Tiyus/Citrus are impossible as group!scum.

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    Sloth, I want Citrus nd Maiden to answer that question last before revealing jail plan.

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    *if their buddy knew the commuter was getting jailed. Derp.
     
  20. Prophylaxis

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    Vote Count 3.1
    (5 to lynch)

    Luckylee (5): Sloth, Moridin, Maiden, Citrus, Luckylee
    Riley Poole (1): Titus
    Moridin (1): Titus

    Abstain (3) blab, Irdiumstern, Riley Poole

    Luckylee has been lynched. It is now Twilight. You may continue to post until I announce the lynch scene.
     
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