Then there's confusion here. I thought you mean 3 alive, along with the 2 dead.

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^meant* /10chars

 

Sloth, I didn't notice the discrepancy. I was too caught up and assumed that if Mafia had a VT equivalent with like a minor message or two, town might as well. When he claimed in jailchat, I thought nohing of it.

Yet, my reads have been off so I began rereading. The discrepancy popped out then.

Irid hasn't been lurking. He jyst doesn't post as much as everyone else.


What are your current reads? Right now, it looks like you are trying to avoid a Citrus lynch without saying he is town.

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Citrus, what is your active ability?

 

I've been clear about that: Irdium > Blab > Citrus/Titus.

As mentioned, I'm trying to avoid being strung along by either of you and trying to approach this carefully. We're not in a hurry, we have over two days to decide.

But also as mentioned: One of you is scum. There's no way around it. If we're lynching either of you today, and you flip Town, we know where scum definitely is. I'm just trying to make sure I have a clear picture on that (currently reading through your posts).
Even if we can afford another mislynch, I want to go into it with the best target in mind.

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...Irdium > Moriding > Citrus/Titus* derp -__-

 

If your reads are Ird Moridin Citrus Titus, why did you push a Blab lynch here?


Fonti, I am sorry. You were right on everything.

 

I don't have an active ability, nor have I ever had one

I claimed an execute ability early on in jail because I thought there was a very high chance of scum being in jail. I was hoping to absorb a night kill due to scum afraid I would execute, also confirming scum that could hear me was in jail, but I was never attacked

 

Because I made another depr there. -__- sorry.
Again, it's supposed to be ird > Mori > Citrus. I stated as such on 1458, and for some reason, I'm always mixing them up in my head.

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(Blab and mori, that is)

 

Sloth, Moridin cannot be scum if Riley is town.

Riley town requires 4 scum (2 dead, one rb one kill).
Moridin didn't target anyone according to your own actions.

Therefore, Moridin cannot be scum.

If Riley is town, we have

Blab town, as vt (probably still longshot possible scum)
Moridin (unless Sloth is lying)
Titus (in jail, couldn't block or kill)

That leaves

Citrus
Sloth
Ird

Each of these three are not alibied by someone else or the mechanics.

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Also, what are the odds of two delayed town action PRs?

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Talk to me Blab?

 

Titus, can it be that you're conflating nights?
Titus, Riley claimed to have been roleblocked N3.
Sloth claimed that Moridin didn't do anything N2.

 

The nights are conflated. That is accuate. However, Sloth's testimony proves Moridin is likely a vt.

Ird has claimed vt.

Maiden gave out watch and bulletproof presumably to vts who bid on them. Ird and Moridin. Blab did and failed twice.

I was commuting, so I could not be involved.

If Citrus had won bp, we wouldn't need the jail gambit as Citrus would take the bullet. If Citrus won watcher, he wouldn't be protesting saying he cn do nothing.

The only people capable f Riley is town are Citrus and Sloth.

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Ok well Sloth and Moridin also works bc if Sloth is scum then Moridin can also not be a vt but it is as remote as Blabscum.

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Also, how does Sloth's track exist with an auditor and a watcher as our stole allowed.

 

I can't wrap my head around your reasoning.
For example: why can't scum!Irdium have roleblocked town!Riley. Because he claimed VT?

 

Ird had to have been bidding on the items. Remember, we have two failures to give you stuff Blab. We suppose that Maiden was trying to give you stuff. Who else would bid?

We know Citrus (no gold), Sloth (claimed PR), Riley (Auditor), were not bidding.

Given Ird and Moridin's refusal to claim, Maiden didn't given them the same item twice. Thus, both of them had to be bidding.

The bidders are our vts.

Thus Ird is a vt.

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Obviously, I was not bidding as well.

 

Ugh. 200 bloody posts and nothing to sway me one way or the other.
-__-

Anyway, Titus.

Having some trouble with your logic here, but the basic idea is that you're trying to decide if I'm scum in your eyes, right? Or maybe you think I am already.

Fine. Like I said, Flip or meat-shield, whichever is fine by me, and we're at the point where we can mislynch yet. So if you can convince everyone, go ahead.

In the meantime, explain how my alibi isn't strong, and how it isn't stronger than yours, in fact.

Let's look at my ability, retroactive leads, which I've explained in detail and opened the floor for questions if anyone had them. Ignoring the derp in conftowning (I could have staged that), I also clearly stated what both Mori and Blab were doing their respective Nights.
There's no scenario in which all 3 of us are scum, and they both backed me up. Therefore, my ability is real, that much we agree on.

So which scum would I be?

This is more or less a solid idea of what the scumteam would look like. I think we can maybe combine a few? Dayvig and Messenger? Unsure.

Point being with all of that, how does it make sense to add someone with my ability to the scumteam? They have a Watcher, that's basically anything I can do but better. Why would they need two researchers?

This is, by the way, why I think Riley is probably Town. Town could use two. Scum, makes no sense. Tell me why it would, with everything else they arleady have.

Also, why would I claim when I did? I had no reason to. There was no pressure or benefit aside from my running out of gold and my attempted confTown of Blab and Moridin.
Attempting to townfirm a fellow scummate is a possibility, but if I had been scum, I'd have known my readings were off and I would have tried a more believable way ro do it.

As for Moridin, the reason I think he could be scum despite the nothing in his read? Two reasons:
1. He could be a Vanilla Scum (unlikely).
2. He could be the DayVig. The ability is strong enough that I think it's basically a Perfect Kill, only used once per game, and if so, the user doesn't have it anymore. (more likely)

I could be wrong, but I'm explaining my reasoning regardless.
You're welcome to present your case now.

Anyway, as I mentioned, I believe either Titus or Citrus are scum, which means that if we mislynch one of them toDay and they flip Town, we know who to lynch tomorrow.
Like I said last time, if you lynch me, that's fine, but be careful who you lynch next. Especially now.

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I'm not seeing what you're saying here: No one got the BP or the Cop, remember?

And I'm not sure how this...what?
How does them not claiming mean Maiden gave them an item, or didn't give them twice?

You're operating under the logic only VTs bid?

 

Sloth, Blab never got the bp. That doesn't mean Moridin or Ird failed to. Moridin was a very early townread. Maiden giving him BP makes sense.

Also, townfirming Blab and Moridin is good play in your spot. It sets up mislynches on me, Riley and Ird. Riley and I were already primed at each other and Ird is mislynch bait. Revealing the claim at the last minute would be suspicious.

Yes, only VTs bid. I did not, as I need gold to commute. Riley didn't as he needs to audit. You did not, as you need to track or roleblock. Citrus theoretically has never had gold. Only Blab Ird and Moridin COULD bid.

Maiden, presumably was trying to give to Blab or Moridin. BP won't claim. Nor will Watcher, as it was our directive to not claim unless the watcher got a guilty. Ird and oridin have the watcher and BP if anyone does.

 

Neither was sold Titus.

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Also two people bid for the Watch. I was one of them.

 

Titus, that's a bit of circular reasoning.
(Ird had to be VT
Therefore he had to bid
Therefore he was VT)

Plus:

Even if Ird, Moridin and Mathblade all bid, too, that leaves at least one claimed powerrole (or Citrus) that tried to buy the bulletproof.

 

Also the Blab read was as early as N2. I was planning to put you both against each other since then?

 

Sloth, you could have put Riley and me against each other since the start.

Fonti is the fifth bidder. Weatherman is likely innocent child. A BP is prefect for that and is essentially n innocent VT. Once Fonti got gold from Possum. He was free to bid.

Fonti has 1 gold at start. Fonti gets 3 gold from Possum. Fonti dies, four gold go out. Riley's audit has four gold.

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If you look at how Guilty Child Operates, innocent child operates in a similar manner most like. If Fonti wins the bp, he can out himself.

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That makes no sense. You would have had no gold from which to use the Watcher. You and I both know PR actions require gold. You'd be sacricing a sure track for a possible watch.

 

Fontisian was long dead when the bulletproof was sold

re: rereading D2
I don't have the time right now to reread the entirety of day 2, but given that I don't have Citrus and Sloth down as an unaligned pair I assume it is possible but unlikely for already discussed reasons (Citrus in jail)

btw, Maiden was suspicious of me the days she sold watch and bulletproof. I doubt she was trying to give me the items. Plus, the watch was already sold when I bid, so she couldn't have sold me that anyway.

re: watch claiming
Now that everyone basically has claimed, it really doesn't matter anymore.

 

You're...derping a lot. o.o

1. Fonti was DayVigged D2, BP was put up D3. She can't be the fifth bidder.

2. I started with 4 gold, and you seem to be under the impression that you lose gold if you bid.
Blab. Do you lose gold if you bid?
I'm going to answer for him, he can contradict me. The answer is no. If you don't win, you get your gold back. That's why I did it, zero risk, possible reward. I was going to use it on Rubicon at the same Night I used my ability on Blab.
I was going to Claim if I found something good and hopefully get a gold and a heal.

 

I am going to check on that to find the fifth bidder or see if it is a typo.

Maiden claiming bp not sold is wifom.

I am pretty sure my analysis is sound for everything else...

Blab, reread day 1 and day 2. You will see Citrus and Slot scum.