We should do this. I have yet to see a decent case on them, beyond they are lurking. The pointing out their cross-votes seems pretty protown here. I always had Moridin as pretty strong town though.

D is not an option. It is a necessity IMO. We have to take one more step at a time. We have to plan for all eventualities.

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Sloth, 1594 is answered in 1592.

 

Ok, sorry, but no. You don’t get to claim that. That’s posteriori knowledge.
You don’t get to claim to claim your move was Town because of what it ended up as, which you had no WAY of knowing it would end up like this.
That’s like saying “I was right to wear this stupid shirt, because hours later a madman with a gun showed up and shot anyone without a stupid shirt!” That’s not how evidence works.
You also don’t get to assume what would have happened if you hadn’t gotten Mathblade in. Maybe it would have ended worse for Town, but there are plenty of simple scenarios where it wouldn’t. You’re not making sense by claiming that, even without the knowledge after-the-fact.

He didn’t claim that. -__-
Read:

Zennith was NK at the beginning of D4. Last Will is a rapid action. If he had left Riley anything, Riley would have gotten it immediately.
If Lee had left Riley anything, he’d have gotten it at the start of N4.
But he got it at the end of N4. Thus, Maiden left him her gold. Which makes sense, she was Townreading him.

Riley hasn’t claimed Zennith’s gold, and it’s why my theory about either you or Citrus being scum is still in play.

1563. Explain the discrepancy. Explain how I could have 'known' Blab and Mori were VT.
1532. Address it.
I’ve given you almost 24 hours to give the explanation you promised then. I’m tired of whenever you tunnel me, you ignore any questions or counters I give.
Put up. Or shut up. I’m not interested in random finger pointing.

Also, ridiculous? Really? Two weak Town Cops to match a Scum Watcher is ridiculous? Ok.
Once the game is over, and we know what our roles are, if yours is Town, I want you to slap yourself in the face and repeat to yourself, very slowly and very clearly: “I’m an idiot.”
Only if you’re Town though.

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@Riley

Read #1554 please, and give me some feedback on that.
At this point, to be honest, the only thing that I would trust for Titus being Town is if Citrus flips Scum.
If he flips Town, I plan to tunnel the hell out of her tomorrow, and if you all lynch me over it, well, it’s your choice. If I had the gold, she’d be one of the top two I’d read.
As for Ird, he’s the one I go for after Titus.

 

Unvote

Sloth, assuming I'm lynched today and flip town.

Do you think Titus is scum or Titus is 3rd party?

 

Very Possible but requires a few potential coincidences. If it is true though, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

Sloth, why don't you make a case on me where I can actually respond to it. Take all of tomorrow as I won't likely be able to respond tomorrow.

I really don't like you chaining lynches. That's bullshit. We've got 1 mislynch if Riley is town. You are supposing Riley is town. Therefore, chaining lynches is VERY anti-town.


As for not letting Mathblade get modkilled, I DO get to use the probability Mathblade was getting modkilled if no replacement was coming in. The host said so. It could have been a scum slot yes. I had no clue. Yet, this way we get two lynches with information.

If Mathblade gets Modkilled and we mislynch, then we get nothing.

Meanwhile, after Zeigts vote, you were voting confirmed town when scum was a major counterwagon.

We will have it out, and I have faith the truth will prevail.

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VLA Tomorrow - Friday

I will try to be on at the deadline. Work calls.

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Oh and one more thing

Vote Sloth

I keep going back and forth on the two of you. I can't get a read if Citrus is genuine but Sloth creeps me the fuck out.

 

Don't you go and mislynch Sloth only to mislynch me tomorrow. Due to today's shenanigans scum won't target me for a night kill anymore

I sincerely hope the scum team isn't Irid/Moridin or just one of the two, as I can imagine observer crying while watching us implode IF that's the case

 

Part of me, although it's possibly very anti-town says to deliberately no lynch.

We have an arrangment where scum would have to kill twice to win. It makes me more likely do die sure, but my survival isn't important.

We no lynch, presume scum kill Blab (as the highest read).

No lynch again. Scum have to townfirm one of Citrus/Sloth/Titus, Riley, or Ird/Moridin.

Getting that information would be helpful in determining who to lynch.

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If Scum kill Riley, we confirm that there's two scum left.

If Scum kill Citrus, we know the early game interactions aren't perfect.

If scum kill me, then we know that whoever's pushing this Titus is scum nonsense is probably scum.

If scum kill Ird or Moridin, we know scum are pushing easy mislynches and trying too hard to appear town.

It's a risk but at this point, I'm tempted to say that's where we should go.

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Oh and if Scum kill Sloth (unlikely), we know early game interactions are not everything and I look really bad.

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Fuck it.

Unvote

I need information. I want confirmations. Let's track scum through their actions since we have 99.9 million derps here.

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Good night.

 

That's not how fucking tracking scum kills works.

1) If you plan this out line by line scum can kill around the plan

2) It's strictly better to mislynch me than to allow scum to kill me. Scum killing me provides no information AND takes away the mislynch. Mislynching me forces scum to kill someone else thus providing strictly more information than a no lynch

3) "If Titus dies anyone pushing scum Titus is scum" This is a piece of shit argument. Anyone can say if they die anyone that pushed for it must be scum. Additionally you'd think you'd provide the best reasoning for if you die SINCE it's the only scenario where you are dead and can't say anything else

4) Scum kill Moridin/Irid for WIFOM, it can just as easily be the opposite argument

That was an absolutely terrible idea. Yes it is anti-town as fuck mr. hyper aware

We are lynching today. I'm almost positive Blab/Sloth will die tonight/tomorrow night. If those two come to a consensus on a lynch I'll sheep their vote, if neither of them die tonight and I will reevaluate reads on both of them.

If I am lynched I am going to be pissed as fuck if Riley claims role blocked again and doesn't get lynched

 

No lynch is not an option. I agree that Riley needs to die either today or tomorrow, I still don't see why Citrus is such an appealing option though. Anyone want to help me out with that? If not, then can we talk about other things? I'm somewhat more open to Titus being scum but still not too keen on the idea. I'd much rather lynch between Irdiumstern and Riley today, I think those are far better options.

 

Citrus talks more often about Sloth than with him, sure. "Intensity" is rather light, I guess? I can't really tell if that's consistent or not with his interaction with Zeit and ika given that Zeitgeist was barely 24 hours alive and Citrus/ika is hard to analyse because stuff is missing because of the jailchat.
So yeah, it's possible that it's consistent, but I woudn't build a case on it.

also, regarding #1607, I third that lynching is inherently superior to letting scum decide who to townfirm, even if we disregard the possibilty that we can catch scum

I used [redacted] simply to tell you that I do have another reason but I don't think the benefit of talking about it outweighs the disadvantage (scum-coaching). Let's say it is a probabilistic argument.

You're right, it seems very powerful, the only ways I see that that is not overpowered is if the mechanic costs >1 gold for scum and if it's a "block" of gold distribution rather than an "absorb".

That's useful. I don't have any alternative theories that spring to me as definitely more likely than one of Citrus/Titus cheating the other out of gold.
Anyway, I have no experience with a "interfering-with-gold"-mechanic. My point was, that you're still betting a whole lot (2 lynches) on your theory (though it's not that there are much better plans floating around, I give you that).

 

I am so fucking lost with this game. Everyone wants to put the game on my shoulders. There is good reason for everyone being scum. We cannot get a wagon to L minus 1 without self-voters.

My gut says Citrus and/or Sloth. Sloth, if he has an interference mechanic would push the dichotomy. Giving to me is poor bc commute. Citrus can bid, so why not give it to him? Sloth parks his interference mchanic.

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Citrus, that post was thrown together. Those are unavoidable facts, regardless of who dies.

 

The point is we shouldn't be stuck reacting to scum kills. That way lies WIFOM, especially since the strategy is out in the open. Even now, assuming 2 scum remaining, there's enough room to mess with us. No lynching only postpones that, and takes away any urgency and threat in the words of town. We have to lynch today. I'd be okay with either Irdiumstern or possibly Riley as the lynch for the day, I really don't see a reason to go for Titus or Citrus now. Riley, still waiting on that Citrus case. Citrus, don't self vote pls.

Eight hours remaining, we still have some time but we need to start coalescing thoughts now.

 

At this time I'd like to say regardless of whom we lynch, we lynch Ird tomorrow because there's been no defense from him and he's lurking sonsuper hard it's nothing but a scum tell. In fact I'd be fine with lynching Ird today and then yall can either decide to lunch me tomorrow or someone else. At this point though, lurking is just scummy in the extreme.

lynch vote: Irdiumstern

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Lynch me tomorrow* not lunch me.

 

Break coming in 4 hours. Out. I will try to be here to hammer if needed.

 

Irdium is lurking so hard that he has less posts than Mathblade and has been in game since the start. That, to me, siginifies scum. End of deal.

If we don't vote Ird now, we're just being foolish. He's been hiding the whole shitstorm that's been brewing and now's the time. He either defends himself and gives us a damn good reason why he's not scum. Or he's lynched, either way he needs to go at this point.


@Mori: Asking for the Citrus theory after Titus asked and received is stupid, stop it. You're more intelligent than this.


Sloth, Titus, Citrus: If there's anything you need to be convinced of an Ird lynch, how about this. Out of nearly 1600 posts, he has a measly 52. If that's not hiding, I don't know what is.

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hiding behind the whole shitstorm*

 

I'm fine with lynching Irdium today, and then depending on what's going on I'll actually reread the thread (have a lot going on in RL right now but should be fine by the weekend).

Vote: Irdiumstern

This way just about everyone left is fairly active. If this is right I owe you many apologies Riley. If you're scum and I just mislynched again I'll jump off a cliff or something I guess

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Zennith also found Irdium highest priority in final jail chat so there's that

 

Intent to hammer. Just got to work. Lunch is at noon PST.

I would like a stronger case but I feel that way about everyone atm.

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It is now apx 930 PST

 

If it's wrong I'll jump off a cliff myself.

 

Riley: Didn't see it in my earlier search and don't have the time to look now, can you please link it?

 

At Moridin, I don't really understand why you're asking for it again when I've already removed my vote from Citrus at this point. I've also backed down from the Citrus Lynch. If we lynch Ird today and I'm wrong and he is Town, I'll post a full case the next day. At this point though, arguing over someone who's at least an active poster will create too much division.

This is why I'm suspicious of you by the way. Three-four members of the game have a coordinated Scum-choice and you're trying to deflect it all of a sudden, posting more now than you have in the past. Why?