Finally, a compromise.

Fine.
I can't guarantee a wall when the Day starts though, RL calls tomorrow and some of Friday. I'll look into putting something together afterwards.

In the meantime, I'm really ready for Night to begin. I need info.

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For the record, I had my vote on Irdium from my first post of D2, before the ika bandwagon form. IIRC, both wagons were strong for a bit, there was no guarantee it wouldn't have mattered.

 

Who all was on the Ird wagon when it was strong in your opinion?

 

Ugh. Retracting that.
The two competing wagons were Zennith and ika, not Irdium and ika - I forgot that Zennith only claimed later in the day.

The rest of it though, is accurate. I did vote him on my first D2 vote before the ika wagon picked steam, and I stated I didn't need to switch my vote and why.

 

Yeah, my big issue is that it's easy to bus a scumbuddy when they aren't likely to be lynched. You defended Zeit as town and he was scum. You didn't really interact much with ika and Fonti was majorly scumreading you. The game was going great when Fonti was pushing the lynch trains. Fonti dies and we can't lynch scum. Fonti tells us to lynch you.

When I have total errors in my ways, I look back at relationships. You and Citrus both have those issues. I will be looking at everyone regarding those issues but that's my biggest problem.

I need a valid explanation for that to townread you Sloth.

 

As far as defending Zeit goes...
On D1, the only relevant times I talked about Zeit where on these three:

-Post #61, where I questioned Rubicon's certainty on Zeit, enough to try to control your double-vote, as he had refused to explain it. This was also asked by Zennith, because it was a valid question.
I said that the biggest scumtell Zeit had had at the tie was 'excessive zeal,' so I wanted to hear Rubicon's case. In a later post, Fonti said that that wasn't true, that he had had plenty of other scumtells...but that's a matter of individual analysis and that early on D1, I hadn't seen any to be certain.
You can see it as a defense if you choose, but that doesn't make sense to me, I was questioning Rubicon who had my vote before Zeit even said anything.

-Post #95, where I next address him, it was to call him out on his movements, which I had noticed by then, and asking why he was worked up compared to his Town persona.
You can maybe call my asking Rubi about his questions 'defending' but I didn't know about the Garcia rule at that point, and I honestly thought those were pointless questions to distract from actual scumhunting.
Here, I'm clearly trying to decide who between Zeit and Rubi is scummier. I ask Blab about it too.

-Last one is #132, which addresses the defense claims directly, and I stand by those answers. If you don't believe those, there's nothing else I can really say.

And about Fonti...
Weren't you the one questioning everyone's fascination with her? She's not the only reason we got those first two. In fact, Rubi (who debunked Fonti's arguments against me) caught Zeit, and ika was more of a combination of Fonti/Blab/Rubi.
We went back and forth at each other and I think we kinda had tunnel vision for one another for a time. She pointed out things about me, and I did the same.
If you read the interactions, it's up to you to decide what you think happened there. All I know is that she was barking at the wrong tree and I did my best to prove her wrong. Rubicon too, actually, I recall him rebunking most of her arguments about me. Read those last interactions, I honestly don't know what else I can say about it.

And on my vote on Irdium...I pointed out the facts. That's all I can do.

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For the record, in the event I die toNight, go with Blab's plan. Try to lynch scum toMorrow, and if you miss, lynch Titus D7.

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Second record: This is not me saying I don't think Titus is Scum. If you all think she should be lynched tomorrow, please do. But I'm working on the assumption you won't.

 

I will add flavor later. I promise.

Irdiumstern has been fired (aka lynched). He was Weston Donovan, Town Vanilla.

It is now Night 5. Night 5 will end in ~20 hours (late start to day).

Look at the Info Board for updates.

 

Filler filler.

 

Filler 2: The Refillering

 

Filler 3: The final filler

 

"I suppose... this is where it is, correct?"

Judith Owens was searching for evidence again. Her initial findings led to the arrests of Grey and Ashcraft, yet her evidence has been turning up false leads ever since.

Her assistant chimed in with a theory. "I suspect Grey and Ashcraft were closely related together. The arrest of Grey was crucial to locating Ashcraft's involvement. Unfortunately, Grey's allies appear to have hidden their tracks remarkably well."

"You know I've heard that story countless times," she griped. "I need a solution."

Judith paced around the empty bank, searching for more evidence in her mind. The police had cleared out the bank days ago - but she knew there had to be more evidence connecting the dots. She was turning up false leads everywhere - a re-examination of the crime scene seemed like the ideal place to reset her mind.

"Go back to the office," Judith said to her assistant. "I need more time to myself to think about this."

---

Judith's assistant was concerned. She hasn't heard back from Judith in hours - normally she would be driving at full speed back to the office, revitalized by a new piece of evidence. Her assistant dialed her number, but no one picked up.

Later that afternoon, Judith's assistant would drive back down to the bank. She would see Judith's car - but no trace of Judith herself.

Sloth has disappeared. (He is dead) He was Judith Owens, Town Cold Trail Tracker.

It is now Day 6. With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch!

Refer to the Info Board for updates.

 

I'm still VLA today but I wanted to see the flip.

I'm surprised that Sloth was killed. He read as obvscum to me. I'm feeling really freaking demotivated right now. My reads were wrong. Fonti's reads were at least partially wrong. The actions aren't making sense... (Why isn't Blab dead?)

I keep going back to why the scum would shoot Fonti. Fonti had to be more of a threat than several others... but why? Fonti's biggest scumread (Sloth) was town. Was this to trick us into lynching Sloth?

I think the game has been designed by scum to mindfuck me. It's easy to fool some people all the time, all the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time. Me, being the double voter, is prime candidate for fooling.

 

If we have to then I want you guys Lynch me please so that the Scum can't confuse you guys and you can go into end game confidently.

 

Stop with this "lynch me" shit. If we have two scum, then that's practically handing the scum the game. It won't town!firm anyone and is a waste of fucking time.

Riley, results please?

 

5 alive. Probably 2 scum. This means we are likely to be at Lylo.

Riley: Lynch me if it helps town!

:/

Riley, the Citrus case now?

 

Wtf, I was so sure Blab would be dead today

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That's an incredibly egocentric way to view the game.

Ok, practically the only thing I'm confident on:

1) Titus's commute ability is confirmed
2) If Titus is on the scumteam, it would be unbalanced with a 4th member (accounting for dayvig as well)

QED

1) Titus should not be lynched today under almost any circumstance

Thus leaving Blab+Riley+Moridin

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Why are you so sure scum have only 3 members? Also you owe feedback, why haven't you offered it yet?

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3) [redacted]

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4) [redacted]

5) [redacted]

QED

Solution to game) [redacted]

Waiting on Riley to post feedback, then all redacted posts will be c+p'ed from my QT

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@Titus

VLA as in vote lynch analysis? Do you have it prepared or what do you mean by that?

 

Citrus, it is indeed egocentric and that is probably my worst mafia flaw is being egocentric. This game would be much easier to crack when I'm not involved in it. I can read games quite well when I sub in. However, when I'm involved in them, the game becomes astronomically harder. Still, such an approach is appropriate to this game.

Scum losing two voters cannot afford to catch the attention of the doublevoter. ika has likely given a profile of me to the scums. So I need to play this backwards. The problem is that is very difficult for me to do.

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Nooo

VLA means "Vacation Limited Access"

I can do a vote analysis on Saturday though.

 

Whoops, well vote analysis doesn't hurt either.

I have a few good plans but am waiting on Riley to return as I said

 

No problem. I agree with that assessment that information wouldn't hurt. Why doesn't everyone leave something for me to look into tomorrow night/Saturday?

 

I'm working on the Citrus Case for Mori at this time but I wanted to make you guys aware that there is someone who can remove PR abilities as mine was not there for a set time frame and now I've been Vanilla-ized.

Not to derail anyone's thoughts but are we sure that Titus's power is due to a set time frame and not due to a self-use of a Scum PR?

@Citrus, did you ask me a question? I can't remember or find one in the past few pages.

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By "not there for a set time frame" I mean that it should have been permanent and there were no "conditions" for me to meet in order to lose it. Someone has a PR removal skill.

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The Case against Citrus:
Post 16: A decent start if a bit bland, Mentions role-reveals already to Titus who’s role is double-voter at this time.

Post 68: Calls a three man vote “a lot of pressure” when at the early stage it really isn’t. Seems like he’s trying to either chainsaw defend Ruibcon, who was town. Is this an early scum tell to try and give him a town lean? Not sure. Need more info. Moving on.

Post 102 – Post104: Focuses on Ird (who we now know is Town). Then he swiftly shifts focus to Zennith; not outright calling him scum, but implying that the info from his flip would be worth the potential mislynch. Too early to call this a scum read but the quick switch is suspicious.

Post 215: Agrees with everyone else on the ika/interview question, leaves vote on Zennith. Claims to read more for “tone/textual analysis” but as we later see, likes to argue over mechanics as well. Not really a scum tell, but in a game that should be all about textual analysis, claiming that there might be a different way to play is weird. This may be an attempt to add fluff but unlikely.

Post 224: First real buddy/buddy post with Titus. No indication of why he likes Titus’ split vote. Just agrees. Too obvious to be a scum tell. But WiFoM would indicate that he may be trying to huddle up to the towniest person in thread so far. Block this train of thought before it gets to complicated. Ockham’s Razor suggests it should just be a town agreeing with a town.

Post 237: This is the most blatant mechanics post so far, in terms of responding to an event rather than just an explanation to someone who doesn’t know what a mechanic is. Why talk mechanics if your playstyle is tone/textual analysis? Suspicion rises

Post 244anic mode starts here I think, where Zennith reveals he is Warden and has Citrus and Ika in the Jail with him. Pro-town move but again WiFoM insists this might be a cover. Notes a scum team with two now revealed scum. Secondary choices are all either confirmed town or read town to the majority of players.

Post 321: Super duper quick switch to vote for me because of a mechanics question, circling back to his habitual breaking from his claimed playstyle.

Post 328: Tries to discredit me by discrediting the posts I made D1 as non-contributory. “You made one real post yesterday”. This is a stupid comment as “yesterday” was day 1. What kind of “real posts” can anyone make day 1 that won’t sound stupid?

Post 337: Ignores my seventh questions about Mechanics talk to try and discredit my post about calling Zeit on his scumminess. 7/10 is a pretty serious commitment for a Day 1 comment on who’s town and who’s scum but he brushes it off. Also, completely diminishes the importance of #5 in my post that’s quoted. Basically calls me stupid for comparing his lurking in the early game of B&T with the Early game of Dresden. Either that or didn’t make the connection. Still scum at this point.

Post 435: The most town post I’ve seen from him so far. Offering to answer questions about Jailchat discussion. Is never taken up on this offer to my knowledge. WiFom and Ockham’s both in effect to muddy the situation.

Post 474: Calls Moridin on a scum slip. This is the turning point where I thought he’d be town. *Important Note: Titus hopped on this pretty fast, even casting a double vote on Moridin*.

Post 494: Stupid question is stupid.

Post 497: Quick backpedal, but example does provide support. Good question. (This is where I start to believe Citrus might be even more town).

Response to Random Fonti Flip appeared to be genuine.

Post 747: Claims Ika slipped his role into one of his posts. Will need to confirm Ika mentioned a role of some kind in regards to Citrus (implied or otherwise). Very confused at this point.

Post 753: Moved me to null read with Fonti, Ika and Zeit flip but claims that Auditor could potentially be Scum. Classic Mafia paranoia I think. Still confused but leaning town again.

Post 759: Gives short post on a Sloth!Scum theory. Good point made. Has merit. Sloth moved up scum radar.

A bunch of back and forth between me and Citrus. This is where my theory comes into play and honestly I have been badgering the shit out of Citrus at this point. Confirmed Town until…

Post 913: Claims to have a way to prove I’m scum. Never materializes. THIS IS WHERE HE TURNED INTO SCUM IN MY MIND!

Then he indulges Ika’s stupid game before lynch.

Post 965: Hints at game changing info. Still no sign of that or Proof I’m Scum.

Post 977: Votes me to even out bandwagon. Still no explanation of “proof” I’m scum.

Post 1078: Really confused what this is in response to until I looked back a couple pages. Why is this the post you make when clearly at least two pages have already gone past with info.

Mathblade lynch target.

Post 1249: A whiny attempt to get some gold sent. What exactly do you need gold for Citrus?

Post 1349: Claims to be the town equivalent of Ika. If Ika was a Mafia Goon….doesn’t that mean that Citrus IS Town Vanilla? This is just getting scummier and scummier. Especially since Rubicon already flipped Town Journo. Where does that leave you?

Post 1461: Is now jailed permanently. The only way to kill is lynch. If I were scum this would be an extremely beneficial position to be in.
After this is all the most recent stuff which has only cemented in my mind that Citrus is Scum.


So @Citrus. Explain Posts #913, #965, #1249.

Titus is not off the hook but until I get satisfactory answers from Citrus, he’s my main target. I will refrain from making a lynch vote because if there IS two town than giving even one vote to someone is dangerous at this point.

 

Riley, a few things I see off the bat that I would like clarified without looking at links

1) You claim roleblocked and now Vanillaized. If scum have a vanillaizer, why not vanillaize you from the start? Why didn't you claim post 1 today?

2) Post 1349, what relevance does Rubi's flip have with Citrus's?

3) Citrus is "in jail" permanently but his version, as I understand it...is more of a forced neighbors. Only people added to the jail are NK immune. This is why Citrus and I gambited on Zennith jailing Maiden.

4) There is vague doubtcasting on me at the end. Please list your concerns about me.

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Oh and I can spend 1 gold to commute. That alone is not alignment indicative but the circumstances indicate I am town.