In the last season she got the necklace.. so I think it will go down similarly to the books.

 

Charles Dance for president.

 

Most of the 'uproar' I've seen is not that there was rape and it was 'squicky', it's that Jaime "I had to stand outside Aerys' chamber while he brutally raped his wife" Lannister decided to rape the woman he (at this point in the story) still very much loves. It's not like his past is established as any different either, as they gave us this information way back in season 1, and the scene where he saves Brienne from being raped is still very much intact and was just last season.

The issue is that the character they chose to turn into a rapist is Jaime, who for all his faults is just about the last person to do that specific thing. IMO it's pretty clear they've sacrificed Jaime's character (and any semblance of logical consistency) on the altar of whitewashing Cersei. They removed or changed most of her terrible actions up to this point, so It's not surprising they would make it so that Jaime somehow deserves how she treats him later, and what better way than rape, which you can also use for shock value.

 

Personally, it's a little hard to see it as rape for me. I've always thought rape would be more...forceful, with more screaming and struggling. This came off more as dubious consent then anything.

 

If you view a woman sobbing while she says she doesn't want it and her partner responds "I DON'T CARE!" as 'dubious consent' I worry for you.

 

I'm not sure how "dubious consent" is even a category of its own. Any situation in which you don't have consent is rape.

 

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I thought rape would be more...violent, this comes off more as reluctant. what I'm arguing isn't that it is not rape, it's that it just doesn't seem violent enough for it. Like they wanted to portray rape, but were afraid of going too far.

 

Your reasoning makes me feel dirty just reading it, lol...

 

"Violent rape" makes up a tiny proportion of rape cases. A stranger raping someone in a dark alley is pretty damn rare.

Most people who are raped are raped by people they know: romantic partners, "friends" or family members. If a man or woman says no, but proceeds to reluctantly let you have sex with them, it's still rape. Physically fighting back is not required for it to be rape, nor is being physically restrained. Social restraints or the threat of violence are equally powerful.

 

Huh, well that's a thing. I mean, no is no, but I always imagined it would be violent, why wouldn't it? If you're raping somebody, what reason would they have to hold back from trying to kick your ass?

 

You keep reverting to how you've "always imagined it". I'm not quite sure why you believe this has some kind of authority.

They might be afraid that if they resist, their attacker will become violent and they'll get hurt.

They might be afraid of causing a scene.

They might lack the personal confidence to act decisively or enter into direct confrontation.

They might be aggressively cajoled into not resisting out of some idea that they owe the person sex.

They might be the victim of systematic abuse to the point that they are completely beholden to their abuser.

They might be intoxicated or drugged.

 

You're arguing that the rapist is not violent already?

They're being raped, why in the world would they be more worried about causing a scene then the fact they're being raped?

I guess so, fear is a thing.

As far as I can tell, nobody owes anybody sex ever. Why in the world would anybody be convinced of this?

These I can see, but I will make a point that Cersei wasn't, up to this point, abused or on drugs, and I can't find a reason why she wouldn't, or couldn't fight Jamie off. Didn't he just get back from being starved and mildly tortured?

I don't claim to be an athority on rape, I've just never really given it much thought, until this thread anyway.

 

So... speaking of the whole Jaime character redemption arc, this is gonna do shit for him. I mean, when he goes on his way to Riverrun to deal with the siege there, he makes a brief stop at Harrenhal where he beheads a man for raping Pia, using the excuse "we already did it before, a hundred times, we all did" and then gifts her his head, making her smile, all broken teeth, courtesy of Gregor Clegane... but then again, I'm guessing they won't do it, since I don't recall seeing her in the show before.

All in all, this season shows much promise for distorted, cut or simply neglected stuff from the books.

 

Honestly, I think the episodes to come will be what determines the overall 'rapeyness' of the Cersei/Jaime thing.

If we see Cersei acting coldly toward Jamie, it will go down in show history as a stone cold squicky rape scene. But if we see them cuddling in bed somewhere, it will be remembered as that moment when Jaime demanded sex and Cersei gave up trying to really stop him.

Both constitute a 'rape'... but one is significantly less damaging to Jamie's character.

 

Supposedly Cersei wraps her legs around Jaime when he gets to thrusting, but I never watched it again to see for myself.

 

So, rape aside, I'm so shattered we haven't seen Lena Headey nudes. She's gorgeous...

Thank god for 300 XD

 

The more I think about that scene, the more I realize the Show is doing its best to make Cersei a whitewashed character.

Instead of aborting a potential son from Robert just to spite him, she had a miscarriage/stillbirth. Instead of her being responsible for Tyrion's assassination attempt, it was Joffrey. And so on and so on, culminating in her bearing none of the responsibility for sleeping with her brother next to their son's corpse.

It is really starting to bug me the more I realize it, especially seeing what they did to Stannis.

EDIT: BTW, if anyone wants to see Cersei nude, I'm going to say right now she will have at least one nude scene, and by God it could be an excellent scene if done right.

 

I bet she wears beggar's robes.

 

Lena herself suggested that she will probably be nude in that scene. And if she decides against showing her body then they can just work it out without getting anything on a screen (as shocking as it will be on HBO) because not having Cersei naked takes a lot from this punishment.